Can Somoene Explain This To Me?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by wvucheerjr, Jan 26, 2009.


  1. wvucheerjr

    wvucheerjr Active Member Full Member

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    Forgive me for sounding ignorant but after years and years of watching boxing I'm beginning to ponder the point of a weigh-in for the lower weight classes. This past weekend both Antonio & Shane made the 147 weight limit (I guess it took Mosley two tries) but yet by fight night HBO said both entered the ring at 160. Now I've heard people in the past say things to the nature of "the weigh-in's are done the day before the fight so the fighter has time to re-hydrate himself". Well my answer to that was if a fighter has to drain himself to the point of needing re-hydrating he shouldn't be fighting at a class that low anyways. I mean Saturday's fight was basically a middleweight fight (except for the fact that had it been a middleweight fight both fighters would have weighed in at 160 and entered the ring as light heavyweights around 170). Anyone else got any thoughts or better explanations on this?
     
  2. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People will always try and be in the lowest class possible. Even if you weigh fighters just before they go into the ring, they would still drain themselves -- without rehydrating. It would endanger their health.

    Which would be their own fault, but still. That's the rationale behind it.
     
  3. AbbasKhan6428

    AbbasKhan6428 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the lower you are the more weight advantage you can put on between weighin and fight night therefore punch with more power. thats my theory, plus if you can make a lower weight then why not, becuase these guys will genrally be punching less harder than the next weight division up
     
  4. beatsy

    beatsy Member Full Member

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    I don't have a problem with it. Just as long as it is a level playing ground then it's okay.
     
  5. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    Exactly but, without the approriate time to rehydrate, that should favor the guy who is closer to his real weight? May prevent the big guy from doing it? I mean, if the guy feels like a zombie, it will be dangerous for him but, he may never want to do that again and decide to go up. What do you think?
     
  6. wvucheerjr

    wvucheerjr Active Member Full Member

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    At least i'm not the only one who think so. I think the weigh-in's should be in a couple hours of the fight as well.
     
  7. Damo1712

    Damo1712 Boss Full Member

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    theres a 14lb limit between weigh in and fight night weight.
    In amateur its done on the day
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    There's pros and cons to both same day weigh-ins and previous day weigh-ins.

    (I personally would prefer it to be same day).


    Furthermore, since it WAS same day weigh-ins up until a few years ago, the previous day weigh-in essentially changes the weight of the fighters involved, and this is not usually taken into account when comparing fighters from same-day weigh-in era to the present.


    E.g. In a hypothetical match-up between Marvin Hagler and Roy Jones at middleweight, most folks fail to recognize that we have two different 'middleweights' being compared.

    Marvin stepped into the Ring at around 162-164 while Roy stepped in at 172 -173. A full weight-class heavier.

    (Calzaghe, who never fought below Super Middleweight, stepped in around 180).

    So Roy would have a serious advantage in such a 'hypothetical' match-up.

    And yet I frequently see posters claim that Marvin should be favoured over Roy and have an easy time with Joe.

    Same with other comparisons that straddle both eras.
     
  9. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldnt mind same day weigh ins so we could not have to see guys with 15-20 pound weight advantages. However I wouldnt wanna see lets just say example the hot topic fighter right now Shane Mosley fights Mayweather next and Shane weighs in just a pound over at 148 which is very easy to do but now hes gotta use energy to work it off when hes got to fight in a few hours. Also some guys will still be cutting alot and they will step in extremly weak. Im fine with the previous day weighs but my rule would be you cant go over 10 pounds after the weigh in its just to unfair IMO.
     
  10. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    No there isn't...when Clottey fought Alvarez he weighed in at 147 and the next day at the fight he weighed 170...Weigh ins are a part of the sport and always have been...It would be stupid to take weigh ins out of the sport! If you can make 147 by the rules than why change the rules..thats stupid...
     
  11. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Its been happening for years-whats so unfair about it...Floyd fought Oscar and Oscar weighed 168 and Floyd weighed 148 and Floyd won the fight..the extra weight can work against a fighter too! I've fought ametuers and sometimes adding on to much weight in between weigh in and fight time can hurt you rather than help!
     
  12. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    i would not mind seeing a rule that you must enter the ring at 147(or any weight class), and the 'weigh in' in dressing room before fight! it would stop 6 foot 1 guys draining down to 147 and entering ring at 160+!there frames and muscle mass etc is perfect for middleweight but they pick on smaller guys because of a technicality in the rules!
     
  13. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    If your refering to guys like Williams and Hearns than your wrong...This has been a rule since weigh ins were put into affect which was along long long time ago...why should the rules change now? Hearns did it till he was 32..Williams makes the weight easy..I saw 1 fight where Williams entered the ring at 158 and the other guy had rehydrated to 161.....u dont make sense!
     
  14. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    i`m not just talking about 147, any division! i would just like to see people who are actually 140,147,170 etc lb fighters fighting at that weight, and if they can make a division or 2 higher fair enough; but only if its properly making that weight on the night!

    if you can make a weight healthily then fair enough, if you must weight drain and put it all back on then your out!
     
  15. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    It was a change made after some ring deaths. A lot more likely to suffer serious brain trauma or death by dehydration if the weigh-in is on the same day, since the fighters still drain down to the unnatural weight whether or not the fight is on the same day.