Can Sullivan,Corbett,Fitz,Jeffries,& Hart Truly Be Called "World" Champions?

A lousy reign for sure, but I do think that Fitzsimmons deserved his title shot.

Peter Jackson had been inactive for years at the time, and Fitzsimmons was coming off a win over Peter Maher.

The question then becomes whether Corbett's poor conduct as champion invalidates Fitzsimmons win?

 

Very good.! I doubt McVey will embrace your facts. He's narrow-minded and factualy wrong on many things, with many double standards.

Jeffries did consider Jack Johnson as a possible candidate to the press after he defeated Munroe. This is in print. Had Johnson beat Hart and there was a Reno like purse of $100,000 for Jeffries, might he have fought Johnson then? It's a good question.

I think the color line if you want to be honest about it had a lot to do with risk vs. reward. What a fighter says and what the does when a big purse is there for him, or if he's broke are two different things. I'm pretty sure Johnson declared he would never fight a negro for his title shortly after winning it. In reality, he did, just once, and vs. a good journeyman. Joe Jeannette blasted Johnson for saying what he did, accusing him of drawing the color line against his people.

 

Guys Corbett completely jerked Jackson around with no intention of having that rematch. Know the facts please.

 

Max Baer wasn't religious you buffoon.

There are secular Jews who are not circumcised. It's a birth decision that Max Baer didn't make.

Baer had a Jewish father and thought of himself as Jewish. I showed you the links and he also wore the Jewish star on his trunks. Your claim he had zero Jewish blood is FALSE, and you need to score some points with crap like this is only making your hole deeper.

Do you think Max Baer had Jewish blood in him, or are you going to stand upon your initial statement?

 

I know they meet to discuss a re-match, which Corbett offered in the two cities that saw him beat Sullivan and Mitchell. The live gate meant a lot back then. All Jackson had to do was accept. He didn't. The challenger doesn't pick the venue and terms. IMO Jackson blew his opportunity. Security would not be an issue. I have never seen or heard of a person being attacked in the ring, and those who organized the event, and needed it to happen would have made sure there would be no such attack on Jackson.

Jackson was a well liked person. The press liked him too. Those are the facts. It would have been a very interesting match. I think Corbett on points or a draw is likely. If you read the round by round report of their first fight, before they tired out, Corbett won more rounds, with Jackson having a few more big moments. Jackson had no mobility issues in that fight.

I think Corbett's durability is a bit under rated. Choynski and Jackson could not stop him. Jackson had some power and landed it at times during their match.

 

I know a Cuban. He's a friend of mine who married an orthodox Jewish lady, along with the full conversion which included the, well you know. His buddies and I threw him a party a few days later, and part of the toast was he was the bravest / toughest man in the room.

 

Wasn't the Corbett Jackson fight billed for the World title?

I do wonder if it had had a satisfactory conclusion (especially if Corbett had won), if Sullivan would have stayed retired).

 

Jackson Slavin was billed as being for the vacant title, by the National Police Gazette.

As for Sullivan, I think that his reasons for coming out of retirement were mainly financial.

He was offered $25 000 for the Corbett fight, and money talked.

 

I suppose they probably still would've wanted the old champ to fight the new.

I know Frank Slavin actually got the Police Gazzette title, but most people didn't accept him in America atleast. I think they might have been more accepting of Corbett though, especially with a win over Jackson. I wish there was a full timeline of the various people the Police Gazzette called champion.

 

Fox hated Sullivan personally, and did not approve of his decision no defend his title under Queensbury rules.

He seems to have been constantly looking for an excuse to make somebody else champion.

Off the top of my head, Elliot, Wilson, Smith, Killrain, Slavin and Jackson were all put forward at one time or another.

 

Off topic, but do you know much on Tug Wilson when he was actually in his prime?

Might be something I have to look into.

 

I give Corbett credit for taking a Jackson match in the first place but he was able to dictate the terms that best suited his style and Jackson did not dare delay the fight when he injured his leg. As far as the rematch goes all I've read is that Corbett jerked him around and around. In addition Jackson was already getting old by that time , 33 - 34 .. etc .. O do like Corbett and find him interesting but he sure seemed to fall post Sullivan .. inactivity did not suit his skill set .. tiring against Fitz, tiring against Sharkey, ect .. he needed activity.

 

What prime ? The vast majority of Sullivan's opponents had extremely thin resumes as professional fighters .. aside from Pollack' terrific book read Isenberg's John L. Sullivan and his America to get a real handle on the fighter. It does not play to those who love to romanticize the man but spells out the facts ..

https://www.amazon.com/John-Sulliva...america&qid=1548017841&s=Books&sr=1-1-catcorr

 

Most of what I have dug up about him comes from researching Sullivan.

He seems to have been highly regarded, but it is hard to escape the conclusion that he was exposed against Sullivan.

 

I'll make a thread if I find much.