Can the Benavidaz-Herrera decision be justified?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Dec 14, 2014.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Or is it just an inarguable flat-out robbery?

    Scorecards welcome.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    An inarguable flat-out robbery
     
  3. RingKing

    RingKing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let me put it this way. When the announcer was reading the scorecards (116-112 x2 and 117-111), I thought to myself, man they finally got it right for Herrera. When he said, "And the new champion....." my heart dropped. I couldn't believe that the worthless CORRUPT judges ROBBED Herrera of a well earned decision victory.

    Even before the cards were read, Lederman was reading his scorecard and said, "I hope they don't rob Herrera." Guess what? They did.

    Sad thing is, this type of BS is going to continue because we as boxing fans allow it and there is no one to seriously investigate the shenanigans going on behind the scenes between the promoters and the judges.

    IMO, the best way to discover a corrupt and/or incompetent judge is to do this. Have them write a summary of what they saw during the fight or each round. You can even give them the benefit of the doubt and let them look at a tape of the fight. That way, they can provide a summary to us, the fans and the respective athletic commission, of what exactly these idiots are looking at. So say for example that they give some bull**** summary, then we know for a fact that they are either incompetent or corrupt because they then can't hide behind the excuse of why they couldn't remember why they scored a round a certain way.

    Just my two cents.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'll be honest - I switched over to Showtime after the first three (at which point I had it 30-27 Herrera)...but unless Benavidez swept the following nine straight - and from the sound of it he did no such thing - you can't turn up that 117-111 junk.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Tell you what it is, TBRB are debating the robbery clause right now. It's hard,very hard to get a fight turned over as a robbery, especially one that wasn't a main event.

    And I haven't seen it. Got 24hrs - was thinking maybe I wouldn't watch it, but bring back ESB's overall sense of what happened.


    Swept up they Money-Pac threads IB.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Why on earth should that make any difference? :huh

    Just because there's less chance of all board members having seen it?
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Herrera seemed to have won a minimum of 7 rounds and 8 sounds about right.
     
  8. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    The only rationale i can explain without using corruption is that watching a fight live compared to on television is completely different. There are many angles that someone watching it live cannot see that someone watching on tv can plus so many distractions (rowdy crowd, a celebrity, pretty woman, etc). I've noticed that the few televised events I have been to my scorecard changes somewhat significantly when I rematch it on tv.
     
  9. Schwing_Meister

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    What was the last major title fight that had the result overturned?
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You need a huge majority to overturn a decision. If someone's kid broke their arm, their mother got sick, they had to work, or in many cases they were covering a different fight for their newspaper or website or whatever, they have to wait for the fight to be uploaded to the internet and then find time to watch. Main events are always on within hours. Support, it can be much more spotty.

    With two big cards up against each other, this is especially difficult.

    Meanwhile, the discussion begins within twenty hours of the fight itself.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is bang on. Happens a lot.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I honestly can't remember off the top of my head, it may be all the way back to Bradley-Pacquiao I.
     
  13. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Should we have the judges watching the fight on a screen without any commentary rather than at ringside?

    Would certainly make their job a whole lot easier and take the crowd influence out of the equation. Seems like a solid idea.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No. I don't think that's wise. Hearing the punches go in is a legitimate part of judging. So is having three different points of view, not one. If i'm absolutely honest with you, I hate that idea.

    Maybe we should bring back the fight to the finish :lol:
     
  15. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Maybe! Something needs to be done as we can't continue having so many of these awful scorecards.

    Be it due to incompetence or corruption something needs to change.