Can the Benavidaz-Herrera decision be justified?

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  1. shenmue

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  2. Boxing Truth

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    The fight was close and it was no robbery.

    Either Herrera or Benavidez could've gotten the decision, or it could've been scored a Draw.

    The fight was close and each had their moments.

    Herrera was robbed against Danny Garcia, but not in this fight.

    Herrera needs to put more pressure and be more convincing if he wants to win.

    It was obvious that Benavidez was the favored to win cause he's young, undeafeted and up & coming. Thats why Herrera shouldve been more agressive, but he hesitated alot and it cost him.


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  3. Sugar 88

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    What about all the "challenger has to rip the title away" BS we have to hear all the time? Herrera got screwed again.
     
  4. Boxing Truth

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    The fight was close.

    Herrera needs to put more pressure because he faced younger undefeated champions and they are the favored to win, while Herrera is seeing as a "stepping stone"/journeyman".

    If he stays with that same style, he's gonna lose, cause he's older and that bad record will put him in disadvantage against younger undefeated fighters.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Well after four I have it 3-1 Herrera, but I do think these rounds are very close. Bena is doing a lot of good "mucky" work, and also landing the harder punches. But it does seem to me that he has been out-worked in the opening third.
     
  6. McGrain

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    After six, I have it even. Benavidez won the fifth and sixth pretty clearly to my mind.
     
  7. McGrain

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    BY compubox, Herrera outlanded Benavidez by around thirty punches. Herrera keeps landing these weird triangulated punches over his own head and over the top of Benavidez's gloves when he is up close. I'm not scoring that ****. That's not effective punching.
     
  8. McGrain

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    After 8 I have Herrera 5-3 up. But the eighth was incredibly close. I literally scored it based upon aggression, giving it to Herrera by the narrowest of margins. A 4-4 card is absolutely fine with me at this point.
     
  9. McGrain

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    MAURICIO HERRERA:1,2,3,7,8,9
    JOSE BENAVIDEZ: 4,5,6,10,11,12

    Drawn on my card.

    Just a close fight that was difficult to score. Herrera landed more often, Benavidez's punches were generally cleaner and harder. It's what you like, and apparently ESB likes more often.

    I thought that a lot of Herrera's work was almost inconsequential. Yes, Benavidez rested on the ropes too much, but Herrera tended to play pit-a-pat on the ribs or bring those weird nothing shots way over the top.

    Judges cards are drunken, but I can accept any close card personally.

    Good post BE.
     
  10. Just Rik

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    Kellerman even said they can't properly score the fight if they're talking (something I've pointed before also) and that they're only taking Lederman's word. Yet he and Lampley act as if it was an easy runaway victory for Herrera. Lampley doesn't even give his opinions on who won a round ever, he just decides who won at the end using the consensus, and Kellerman just goes with whoever has the strongest opinion, Lederman or Roy.

    I'm telling you man these commentator's are frying peoples brains. The worse part is they're trying to score a close fight that the viewers are also trying to score The viewers have a difficult time of scoring and so just go with the commentating emphasis who are not paying nearly close enough attention for a close fight. People have also got to remember that Lampley is a color commentator, so periodically he's got to say "hard right hand!!..." something or other, it doesn't necessarily the shot was actually hard, though sometimes it does. I'm actually somewhat shocked that fight is being painted as robbery and people are going along with it.
     
  11. McGrain

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    I agree that a strong opinion in a commentary causes havoc on ESB, whether they are right or wrong.

    I didn't see the HBO broadcast though. I saw the mad Russian one. "Бокс для слабых , я вырезал BULLS с ножом!"
     
  12. Just Rik

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    Yeah Herrera throws a lot of stay busy shots seemingly almost to keep himself in rhythm. People probably think they have got to score that just because it's landing, when they should not be at all.
     
  13. Terminator_X

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    This sport is called BOXING, not SLAPPING.

    I had it 116-112 to Benavidez and after re-watching the fight i'm sticking to that score although there were definately a couple of swing rounds that could have gone to Herrera if i wanted to score for volume over accuracy and power.

    People who scored that fight to Herrera fell for the illusion of him winning rounds based on his high volume whereas in reality the vast majority of his punches were slapping punches that had zero power or accuracy to them.

    If guys are given decisions based on them wailing away with slapping punches then we may as well just stop calling this BOXING and call it SLAPPING instead.

    Well done to the judges for scoring BOXING not SLAPPING and giving rounds to the boxer who was throwing the more telling, accurate and legitimate punches.

    According to CompuBox:

    Herrera landed 295 of 870 punches, while Benavidez connected with 250 of 647.

    Give me Benavidez's 250 PUNCHES over Herrera's 295 SLAPS.
     
  14. Just Rik

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    Really, well then you'll love this. At the beginning of the tenth Lampley has the nerve to say "if somehow Benavidez wins" I was absolutely floored when he said that, the fight was completely for the taking and he was giving people the impression Benavidez chances were slim to none.
     
  15. Just Rik

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    Herrera landed 285 from the site I looked at.