Can Tyson Fury defeat Oleksandr Usyk without using illegal tactics and dodgy officiating?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Perkin Warbeck, Jan 1, 2023.


Will Fury need dirty tactics and dodgy officials to defeat Usyk?

Poll closed Sep 26, 2025.
  1. Yes, without them he would not win

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  2. No, Fury will be an honorable man and win fairly

    41.5%
  1. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Tyson Fury needed to resort to dishonorable, dirty tactics to defeat Steve Cunningham, who was much faster and better skilled.

    Will the big dosser need to do the same to defeat Oleksandr Usyk? Will he need a dishonest referee like Ian John-Lewis and dodgy judges like Glen Feldman?

    Will Tyson Fury disgrace himself like Wladimir Klitschko did against Alexander Povetkin, and fight like a big octopus?
     
  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Fury will crack Usyk early with a big 1,2 and he'll be hiding behind a high guard on the ropes not even able to ring circle away from impeding doom.

    The facade will fall at that moment and boxing fans will screech in terror HE'S TOO OLD. HE'S TOO SMALL. STOP STOP!. HE'S ALREADY DEAD!

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    Usyk is getting grabbed in a traditional gypsy courtship ritual and he will be Fury's wife whether he likes it or not, he will be ordered to look after Fury's baba's namely Whyte & Chisora. Fury's other son Wlad looks after Wilder because he's quite a handful.

    Fury is a fighter. Usyk is a boxer. Fury is going to show the amateur what pro heavyweight fighting is all about.
     
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  3. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Doubt it. Usyk is more skilled and faster.
     
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  4. serioussam

    serioussam Active Member Full Member

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    I think he will do everything he can to win, he will do everything to keep his zero. So probably he gonna fight Price instead of Usyk
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    How exactly are you defining "dishonorable"/"dirty tactics" here?

    Just curious.
     
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  6. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's get a few things right about this Cunningham fight everybody keeps rewriting.

    Fury was matching Cunningham pretty well in pure boxing. Obviously Cunningham was faster since he was far smaller, but Fury was/is more skilled relatively speaking, when you consider how huge he is. He got KD'd because he was showboating/taunting with his hands down. After that he changed tactics but his mauling was nowhere near the fouling seen with Wlad in every hug-match against a smaller fighter. He didn't actually headbutt or land low blows or elbows. The charges from Cunningham's coach were that he was 'leaning on Steve with his head and elbows' which is a far cry from illegal strikes and shows how mild the mauling was or he'd be complaining about butts and rabbits and elbows, nutshots etc.

    The final shot did involved manipulating Cunningham's head with the other hand but Cunningham was already done and badly hurt from a series of uppercuts against the ropes, it wasn't decisive.

    Cunningham lost not only because Fury was better but because he and his coach underestimated Fury. Why? Because Fury was big and a white man. That's the reality. The agenda with those two is as obvious as it gets. They disrespected him pre-fight if you actually watched those pressers, and claimed he just had size and nothing else. They expected to just 'chop him down' as they said. They believed they were vastly more skilled. When Cunningham got the KD he believed his own hype and tried to take out Fury but couldn't because Fury stopped showboating and started fighting properly.

    Cunningham and his coach then discovered that Fury wasn't just 'big', he had a big arsenal of skills and was a future world champion, actually. They couldn't handle the loss and started making up stories. In the post fight they were not giving Fury any credit at all, absolute sore losers. In the end Cunningham was the one who was chopped down, not Fury. They should have respected him more and maybe the fight would have been closer.

    In the aftermath, Fury held out an olive branch to Cunningham, brought him in to camp, tried to be friendly. Cunningham, being a POS, proceeded to jump on the 'Fury glove cheating' bandwagon associated with his demographic and even made video claiming to show how Fury cheated against Wilder. He then picked up his story again about Fury not deserving to win etc., disrespecting him some more.

    People need to stop defending Cunningham, it's absurd.
     
  7. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Some of the leaning, hitting while holding, using his weight to push a lighter opponent down. We saw this when he fought Cunningham, and during the last two fights with Wilder.

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  8. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    So mostly tactics the majority of larger Heavyweight boxers throughout history have employed, and would be insane to not take advantage of. The Cunningham finishing sequence was dirty, but I don't think Cunningham was going to last much longer anyways.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The funny thing is Fury fans claiming that if Fury beats Usyk people are just gonna say Fury was too big for him. Er, if Fury wins it will be due to him being way bigger, longer and heavier than Usyk. Why wouldn't it be when there is such a huge size disparity? Go watch any prediction video about the fight and virtually every single person picking Fury, including tons of Brit fighters, trainers, journalists and pundits, will say that they just think Fury is too big for him and even those picking Usyk or who are unsure or are sitting on the fence cite the size difference being the most significant factor.
     
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  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even his own biggest fan on another thread admitted that he needs dodgy officiating and referees.
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Fair enough. :thumbsup:

    I'm definitely inclined to agree with @UnleashtheFURY , however. These are tactics that are not uncommon for larger heavyweights, particularly in recent years (Wlad, Lennox, Bowe, etc), and even in the sense of one heavyweight just being larger, even if short of the "super heavyweight" standard.

    In that sense, I feel your use of words like "dirty" and/or "dishonorable" is perhaps a bit hyperbolic.
     
  12. BlackDog

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    Yes he can if he can outboxed Usyk on long distance 12 rounds.
    But I doubt.

    If Usyk come close he will clinching, grabing and do what he always do when he is danger.
     
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  13. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Show me a heavyweight undisputed fight that didn't involve clinching.

    clinching and wrestling is part of boxing especially at HW. Suck it up. Fury is going to ragdoll Usyk and it's totally fair game.
     
  14. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He will do anything to win.

    We know what he can do, all the dirty ****
     
  15. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    It will be Fury’s only chance of winning. Wrestling, slapping, whatever he can do outside the rules. Usyk will be ready but I’m not sure about the judges. I want to see Usyk win but I want a good fight more than anything. If Fury wins fairly, I’ll recognize and congratulate him on the win (I’m sure he reads all of my posts religiously). This is boxing and anything is possible. I just hope we get a legit decision and fair officiating.
     
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