Can we end the GGG is past his prime talk now?

Exactly.

 

All Floyd really proved was he was a very over rated boxer. He had a State Commission, Vegas boxing & its blatantly biased officials backing him plus was o0bviously juiced to the gills yet barely beat an injured sabotaged Pac man

 

GGG isn't in his prime he isn't 25 yrs old BUT In my opinion he is STILL the best 160 pound fighter in the world today STILL
These so called young;ions need to start fighting each other to find out who really is the real deal & prove themselves worthy of a title shot

 

No, we can't because his win against Venes didn't prove anything. Vanes was inactive in the last 2 years. He's not tough enough.

 

Not at all, but what does that have to do with this? The question is can we end the talk of Golovkin being past his prime. And the answer to that question is no, Golovkin is not in his prime

 

A little bit, he started slightly declining around 2000-01.

 

Can people understand what it is to be in your prime, peaking, and past prime FFS.

You can have already peaked and be on the slide without being past your prime.

Many ATGs got some of their best wins when they had already peaked and on the down side physically, but smat their best mentally.

How do fight fans forget boxing is 90% mental??

 

Ehh...prime is a broad term and people have their own time frames and definition of what they consider it. If you think Roy was prime in 2003, I won’t argue against it.

To me, Roy was prime from 1994-2000/01, peak at 1994-1996 (168), slightly past prime from 2001-03. I thought he was declining a bit, and not in the same way he had from in 1997-2000 when he moved from his peak weight class but was still physically at his

There’s no way to measure how much of boxing is mental, but I would guess it’s a lot less than 90%. That just sounds like one of those cliches people say.

I’m sure there’s lots of fighters out there that have all the heart in the world, boxing IQ too, but we don’t see them. We only see the top 1-2% or whatever.

 

If that's what you believe then you and Canelo must be related

 

Define struggle.

If struggle means beat convincingly but didn’t put to sleep, then yes, he struggled.

Five years ago he KO’s both.

 

Prime to me is when the fighter is able to compete at the top successfully.

It isn't some complicated formula.

As a fighter ages he compensates some of his physical decline with acquired skill, and experience.

A time does come when your body lets you down completely or there is a noticeable and defiend decline is physical abilities, and no amount of experience will be enough.

Its different for everybody. I would say most fighters are considered prime between 25-32 give and take a year.
Some fighters can be considered past their prime before hitting 30 like Erik Morales and Fernando Vargas, while other fighters can be considered Prime well into their late 30s like Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins.

As far as being in your absolute peak, that is not a very long period for most fighters. Think of a boxing career like a mountain, relatively small at the summit, you spend most of your career on the rise and slide than at the peak.

I agree that GGG is past his peak, but he isn't past his prime, I haven't seen anything to suggest that. On the contrary, he still seems enough capable to dispose of subpar competition like he always has.

Boxing is very much mental. I would say moreso than any contact sport. JMM-Pacquiao is a prime example.

JMM was disadvantaged in every physical department, but his mental advantage gave him his triumphs over Pacquiao. Fight 1 and Fight 4 are excellent examples.

 

He's visibly slower, so of course he is past his prime. A pressure fighter at 36 is always going to be past his prime. But he isn't like shot or anything like that, not even close.

 

Past prime doesn't mean washed up or even not world class. It just means he's fallen off from his peak, which probably ended about two years ago. There is a steep decline in fighters after about 34, with the possible exception of heavyweights and juicers. Almost nobody over 35 has a win over a prime p4per like Canelo. That's how steep the cliff is. Just a year later you notice that they are significantly diminished. They might have been so far above the rest of the pack that they can still beat their rivals, but that huge dominant gap isn't there anymore.

 

I also base my opinions on what I see. I see a decline in Golovkin's level. However opinions are a dime a dozen and what a fighter's rivals think should also be taken seriously.

I never said Golovkin is shot. "Shot" is like Haye last weekend, Roy Jones Jr for a while, etc.

But he is getting old (indisputable) and most people think he isn't quite as good as he used to be. Whether that's called past prime or not is semantic.

It's not so simple as counting pro rounds, because: a) styles matter; b) amateur rounds do also inflict wear and tear and thus should be counted (although not in a one-to-one sense of course). GGG has something like 350 amateur fights. Canelo developed himself through the pro game. These are alternative ways to gain the required experience and can't be compared so easily.

Regarding opposition, by fighting as an amateur one actually fights better opposition than as a young prospect in the pro game. Bute, Dirrell, Korobov, Lee, etc... That's the advantage of developing via the amateur route. The disadvantage is, of course, that it's a different game with a different set of rules, and obviously one can build up a bigger record as a pro by starting earlier.