Can We Get A Handle On Jeffries From This Footage?

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  1. Mendoza

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    Correct and good point. If it was 12 round fight, the fighter pick up their pace.
     
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  2. guilalah

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    Hitting in clinshes was allowed in Jeffries-Ruhlin II; however, one could not, at the same time, both hold and punch.
     
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  3. edward morbius

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    One criticism made of Jeff by old-timers was that he was a one-handed fighter, and this film does back that up. There were a couple of rights in close, but they didn't seem to amount to much. It was left hook, left hook, left hook. I didn't see even a one-two combination.

    He looks wide open for a jab (Ruhlin can't seem to miss him, but his jabs have no effect) and a right cross.

    A big, strong man whose size and toughness carried him through in his own time, but it's hard to see him beating a boxer like Tunney or surviving punchers like Dempsey, Louis, or Marciano.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    It was commented on in Jeffries own time that he was not a quick finisher , but a methodical slow, wear them down type. Many others took opponents out quickly regardless of the distance, Fitz, Maher,Sharkey etc.
     
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  5. rusak

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    lol I'd say he has no chance against any of them. Arreola and Solis, especially, would kill him.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    You're entitled to your point of view.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Jeffries did finish Corbett with a right in their first fight and he dropped Ruhlin heavily with a right cross in their initial encounter. In this footage I agree, he is obviously loading up with the left hook and targeting the body ,,which does seem pretty predictable.
     
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  8. guilalah

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    It's hard to judge from this video, since at this point Jeffries is very unconcerned by what Ruhlin is sending his way. Ruhlin is both worn down and discouraged by Jeffries hitting him back. It was commonly remarked that Jeffries was a difficult guy to hit in the critical locations.

    It's unfortunate there isn't a Corbett-Jeffries II film, that would probably by the flick that would have told us the most about Jeffries in his full development. (I do grant that Corbett had become somewhat superannuated. Can't fault Jeffries for defending against Corbett, though, as it was a highly demanded fight, understandably given Corbett's previous performance against Jeffries).
     
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  9. mcvey

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    I fault Jeffries because it took him 3 years to rematch Corbett , by which time he was just a "name".
     
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  10. guilalah

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    Yes, Jeffries was defending once a year, basically (if we consider Finnegana tune-up).
    Then again, that was actually an improvement over Corbett and Fitzsimmon's defense rates.

    From a historical standpoint, Tommy Burns really deserves credit for increasing the frequency of defense, going international, and being willing -- granted, for beau koo jack -- to drop the color line.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NZJjhfaKdE
     
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  11. mcvey

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    It was three years before Jeffries gave Fitz, the man he took the title off a rematch, by which time he was nearly 40.

    Burns went global, taking on who ever was around for a payday. Jeffries did not, he had a total of 19 fights, 16 of them in his chosen residence of California, he had 9 fights as champion , again 6 of them in California. Give Burns credit ,he took his title around the world.
     
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  12. klompton2

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    Another thing about Burns that is impressive is that every title defense he had with the exception of O'Brien, who wasnt in it to win, ended in a KO
     
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  13. mcvey

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    That's right! It hadn't occurred to me,and he was the little guy in most of those fights.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Jeffries doesn't appear to be too concerned about taking shots, his durability was legendary and we have to say it must be justified.

    Fitz hit him with everything, punches that absolutely ruined Ruhlin, but he was still there, methodically trundling forward.

    Ruby Robert smashed his already fragile hands on Jeff's bony visage, marking him up terribly, he had stitches above and below his eyes after their second fight, plus a broken nose, yet it seems his body stood up better than its assailants fists,and make no mistake Fitz was a terrific puncher.
    If you have a guy that is willing to accept and absorb such punishment , and still keep coming, some one who possesses a formidable wallop himself, you have a long hard night on your hands.
    What a tragedy he did not defend against Johnson, we might have had a FOTC a century earlier.
     
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