Can we just stop talking about PRIDE now? Hasn't it been long enough?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Haggis McJackass, Dec 30, 2011.


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  1. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    I actually agree that this version of Jones beats prime Shogun, but that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a prime Shogun he faced. Yeah, there was a lot of steroid abuse in PRIDE, but youve still got to appreciate that they are all getting older as well.
     
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  2. Will Munny

    Will Munny Active Member Full Member

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    There hasn't been a lhw in the sport, up to this point, that was/is capable of consistently beating Jones. He's just that good.
     
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  3. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Fine, but Shogun didn't lose to Jones because he was old. He wasn't even 30 yet.

    And after the Jones fight, he avenged one of his losses in emphatic fashion (though Forrest himself is well past-prime, so really he hasn't avenged that loss at all, the rematch essentially meant nothing), and then he was involved in the consensus FOTY against a resurgent top-5 p4p ATG. That was a fight in which many onlookers feel that Shogun at least deserved a draw.

    Plus we must remember that he wasn't facing prime Jones either. He was facing green Jones. We haven't seen prime Jones yet. :scaredas:

    :hat
     
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  4. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    Age isn't everything though. I know the PRIDE fanboys love the 'Shoguns knees are gone' excuse but there's no denying that Shogun has a history of injury problems. Again, I see where youre coming from with you're annoyance Monaro and the likes, but to write off PRIDE because you dont like some of the obsessive fans is petty as hell man.
     
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  5. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    No doubt Shogun has had injury problems. And different fighters peak and decline at different ages.

    But the guy was clearly nothing close to shot when it came to the Jones fight. Shogun's problem with looking like **** in that fight stemmed directly from a LHW monster ****ing him up with a vicious knee to the face a few seconds into the fight. He confirms this, his corner confirms it, and his subsequent fights against guys not named Jon Jones confirm it. :yep

    I don't disrespect the PRIDE fighters. I disrespect the organization itself, because it was a corrupt, steroid-ridden, mafia-infested racist freakshow.

    Sure it staged some classic fights. But it also regularly shamed the sport, and it did absolutely nothing for the growth of the sport in the West, in fact it helped to keep it back in the dark ages. :good

    And I think that the real disrespect comes when "fans" hold some guys up to be invincible superhumans, and then don't give their opponents any credit at all for dominating them.

    :hat
     
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  6. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    I'm not disagreeing with your last few posts, the fanboys are annoying as **** and PRIDE did have a lot of problems with corruption, but your initial post which basically disregards all the good things it brought was stupid. I know you are fishing to get the PRIDE nuthuggers worked up, but it seems stupid to me to even rise to their idiocy. Just enjoy PRIDE for the great fights it gave us.
     
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  7. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Nail been hit on the head with every single word in this post :deal
     
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  8. VX.Nefarious

    VX.Nefarious Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Talking about Pride, damn the best MMA fights I've ever seen are from Pride, too bad UFC can't be as exiting.
     
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  9. Chex31

    Chex31 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal
     
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  10. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    sorry, but pride was the best!!!
     
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  11. Fighting Pride

    Fighting Pride Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They still show old Pride fights on ESPN. It played a special part in MMA history. Fans who were brought up on it will always have fond memories of it.
     
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  12. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    Haha, I actually did to, but realize that life has to move on and mma will survive without it.
     
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  13. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    So you already know that if any Pride fighter and came to the UFC and lost they were "shot" or "past their prime" right? That is common knowledge around here.
     
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  14. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    :yep

    It's not hard to see who this topic is aimed at.:lol:
     
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  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :lol: What a ****ing crock. And most of all what a shitty loaded thread. As you were zombies.
     
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