Can we still talk about Tyson or is it old news? Question:

This is complete baloney.

Vincent Fuller, lead attorney, did previously get Don King acquitted for tax evasion, which is a felony. He was regarded as one of the top criminal defense attorneys in the nation. He also got John Hinkley off on an insanity defense for attempted assassination when he shot Ronald Reagan.

That’s one of the highest-profile cases in the last century. Find me some attorneys who have managed to get someone off for shooting a sitting president. Not easy.

A tax attorney is basically an accountant versed in taxes who finds shelters that allow someone to pay less taxes. That’s not what Fuller was.

His co-counsel, Roy Black, had previously gotten William Kennedy Smith (of THAT Kennedy family, nephew of Ted Kennedy) off on a **** charge. Acquitted. Probably the most famous celebrity **** trial before Tyson’s — literally televised every single day.

That’s a criminal defense dream team.

There’s a reason Tyson’s side had someone approach Washington with an offer of $1M to drop charges. She did not. Just as there was a reason Tyson settled with Washington for huge dollars rather than risk going to trial on a civil suit over the ****.

Dig into the Tyson trial and you’ll find a lot of things: 1) Tyson’s side wouldn’t call his own paid bodyguard, who was standing guard outside the door when the assault occurred, because of what he would testify that he heard (if ever there would be a witness you could count on bending things your way, it’s a guy you employ); 2) Tyson was there to judge a beauty contest … yet he left in the wee hours on a swiftly-booked flight right after the assault … if nothing happened and he thought he just had a night of consensual fun, why did he leave and not stay to judge the contest?; 3) Tyson lied on the stand, contradicting what he told the grand jury, which allowed the prosecution to impeach his testimony with his own words.

If your legal team includes a guy who got off for trying to assassinate the president and another guy who won perhaps the most high-profile **** trial in U.S. history to that point, you’re not being defended by incompetents. There are probably not two better attorneys in the country he could have hired to defend him.

Mike went to prison because he raped a woman. It’s really that simple. The evidence supported that verdict.

 

No big deal. That was a spin put out there by a very highly-paid PR team that was trying to salvage Tyson’s reputation … and to some degree it worked. I’ve seen it repeated often, so I’m glad you could bring it up to allow me to put the facts out there.

If I murdered someone and I could afford those two attorneys, I’d hire them in a split second and so would anyone else.

Also of note, Tyson’s appeal legal team was headed by Alan Dershowitz, who has represented clients (chiefly on appeals) including Donald Trump, Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein — which tells us he’s not shy about taking on some slime ball clients but also that he’s considered about as good as there is in that field (he’s argued before the Supreme Court multiple times). The appeals, of course, failed, which should also tell us something.

Tyson’s legal defense threw every resource possible (financially and otherwise) into getting him off and into winning an appeal. But the case was not winnable. He was guilty.

 

From what I know/have read, Tyson already had sex with her in the car before the alledged r.a.p.e.
As for the bodyguard, Tyson could have simply paid him to lie.
And even if Desiree went to his room in the night and then changed her mind or simply didn't intend to have sex with him, what was she doing there in the first place ?!?
It's quite obvious he was expecting to have sex, so if she didn't want the same thing, she shouldn't have went there. So assuming he raped her, in a way it was her fault.
Personally I don't believe he raped her.

 

Child Mike Tyson was basically sold to a gladiator school after a violent upbringing. The headmaster of the school had spent 50 years perfecting a style that yielded undersized champions fast but they always burned out regardless of lifestyle.

Ultimately, there is no great unanswered what if. What got him there was what stopped him from going further. If you want to see what Mike Tyson could have been with a real mother, age appropriate training, and no drugs except steroids it's Evander Holyfield.

He deserves a lot more respect for beating Tyson twice in the kind of prime for prime showdown you almost never get in this sport.

It's hard to imagine after the last decade or so but that 90s HW division was deep. Some of those also rans looked great when they weren't getting swarmed and KO'd fast.

That is an interesting exception to what I said above. People with fragile psyches don't do well with that kind of change, they act or go morose.

Don King knows boxing history though, so he probably said to himself:

"this guy is another Patterson, version 2.0,

I'll milk this bomb, then watch it blow."

 

It says a lot that he didn't testify then, right?

Either he's one of those weirdos who won't lie for money or Tyson's lawyers did a mock cross examination and he couldn't keep the story straight.

So if it's her fault a **** happened, should she do some time for that?

**** is one of the worst crimes you can commit. Billions of guys make it through life going on dates, being alone with women, facing rejection, getting drunk, all without raping anyone! It's not hard!

I guess the answer to @Mike_b's question: no we can't lol

It's too bad they couldn't have become friends, he would have been a fun addition to these shows Tyson puts on.

 

Probably a combination of several of these.

A style like Ali's, or Holmes perhaps, lends itself a little bit to having some leeway in terms of just how spot-on and razor sharp you have to be because you're not really putting yourself in the line of fire as much as a more aggressive style would require. You can flub a thing or two and still get away with stuff.

Tyson's style was totally dependent on speed, rapid combinations, and head and upper-body movement, all while being in the direct line of fire. It's a big ask. One little flaw in a style like that amplifies risk more than a cautious style.

 

Jose Torres was D'Amato's second champion he did not," get there fast,"far from it,he could have won the middleweight title earlier, had he been allowed by Cus to fight the IBC connected contenders.

 

That is a very good point.

Even if everything went right for Tyson (He keeps his original team, no Don King, No Robbin, no jail, etc.) his boxing style was not well suited for a long run. Even in the best of cases, Tyson probably was not going to be for too long at the top.

Maybe, just maybe Tyson would be able to evolve and adapt, changing his boxing style in order to stay competitive .... but that is a big "MAYBE"

 

He trained a lot of fighters over the years, not all of them in the same mold, but Patterson and Tyson seem to represent something more personal to him.

 

You said champions.
"a style that yielded undersized champions fast but they always burned out regardless"

Only 3 champions and the last won it after he had died.

 

It was the heavyweight title that was special to him,imo.

 

Always is a bit dramatic I guess, but he is famous for two undersized HW champions who both peaked early despite very different lifestyles and demeanors.