Can we straight up say Usyk is the 2nd greatest Cruiserweight?

No. Because he is the first.

 

I still have Holyfield 1 and Usyk 2.

 

Lol

 

Usyk is the greatest cruiser

 

Delusional. Usyk has conquered two divisions in all his opponents backyards. That has never been done. Usyk is the greatest cruiser of all time.

DEAL WITH IT

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Usyk did more at CW, probably less at HW as of today.

 

George speaking truths before Joshua got taken to school.

 

Haye is someone Usyk would beat without much of a doubt. For those of you who think he blows Usyk out, ydksab.

 

Lol.

Bless your heart.

 

I'm not sure that logic is valid. It could be argued that only his CW resume can be used for CW status. Holyfield may have gone to HW because the PEDs added too much weight. It is unclear.

Second, it is debatable that Holyfield is better than Usyk.

They are very close, but if I was forced to choose it would be Usyk; peds, past it Tyson, Usyk naturally smaller etc.

 

It is debatable. But the Holyfield that beat Douglas for his first heavyweight title would splatter Joshua all over the ring. I have no doubts about that.

 

Regarding size, Holyfield was naturally smaller.

Evander fought and medaled as a light heavyweight in the Olympics, whereas Usyk fought as a heavyweight in the Olympics and a super heavyweight in the WSB.

Evander also fought in the cruiserweight division when the weight limit was 190 pounds and unified the division, winning all the titles that existed then, at that lighter weight.

Usyk unified the division when the weight limit was 200 pounds. Usyk likely never would've fought at cruiserweight if he had to weigh 189. As it was, Usyk turned pro as a heavyweight and moved down to cruiserweight to win a title there.

Usyk weighed more for his second pro fight than Evander did when he lost the heavyweight title to Riddick Bowe.

Now, the talk is the division limit may go back to 190. If it does, there will likely be an asterisk next to Usyk's name since he was champion when the division was competed 10 pounds over the limit.

Also, in his last two fights, Usyk fought in the 220s. Holyfield was still 214 when he faced Valuev at the end of his career and gave up nearly 100 pounds (and many thought should've won the WBA belt that night).

Between Usyk and Holyfield, Evander wasn't the bigger man. Usyk is even slightly taller than Evander.

 

Imagine usyk on juice that holyfield was on

 

Could you imagine Usyk vs Valuev? It would be a bigger schooling than the one he put on Gassiev.

 

Usyk not just slightly taller he is better !