Can we straight up say Usyk is the 2nd greatest Cruiserweight?

Ah, of course. And Briedis had an opponent (Danny Williams) weighing 84 pounds over the cruiserweight limit.

I get it now. (LOL) Rolls eyes. They're all cruiserweights. Got it.

I'd like to introduce the latest cruiserweight contender ... ANDY RUIZ ladies and gentlemen. He may come in 84 pounds over the limit in non-title fights, but he's a cruiserweight. Trust me.

 

How did you own me? When you didn't know Brieidis was a heavyweight for the first four years of his career? When you forgot Usyk fought Joe Joyce and Hrgovic?

When you tried to explain away Usyk weighing 206 and his opponent at 208 as just a "few pounds" over the limit?

You mean EIGHT pounds, give or take?

**** off. Seriously.

 

You claimed Usyk and Co. moved down from their weighty class in the amateurs. I pointed out that the weight class that the weight class Usyk fought in in the amateurs is the same one that he competed in the pros and became a champion. You were owned as an ignorant dumb hater.

You then claimed fought at HW in WSB, then I pointed out that there was no 200 lbs weight class in WSB at the time, further owning and exposing you the ignorant troll you are.

You claimed Usyk moved down when he turned pro, when he fought as an 200 pounder as an amateur, fought as a 200 pounder as a pro.

You were owned and exposed the ignorant, lying troll you are.

And I never claimed Briedis didn't move down from HWs, simply pointed out that he never had an amateur career as a SHW.

 

Listen, Einstein, the weight class Usyk fought in when he was in the WSB was the HEAVYWEIGHT division.

Go back and watch. All his bouts are billed as heavyweight fights. And he fought big heavyweights. And he got paid for all of them. And four of his 17 pro fights outside that league were heavyweight fights, too.

You can call me all the names you like, but that's not trolling. It's fact.

The truth isn't trolling, Donald Trump.

 

Listen whatever the hell you are, there was no 200 pound weight class in WSB, so both HWs and SHWs fought at the same weight class.

Usyk competed as an 200 pounder as an amateur, he competed as an 200 pounder as a pro. To claim he moved down when he turned pro is lying, to repeat the same lie over and over again is simply being an idiot.

 

And Usyk also competed against guys like Joe Joyce and Hrgovic and an assortment of fat 240 pounders in the WSB for which he was paid, and he has also fought an assortment of guys at heavyweight outside the WSB before he started campaigning in the cruiserweight class full time.

You keep leaving that out. I don't know why. It's the truth.

He turned pro in the WSB fighting heavyweights. He turned pro outside the WSB and was fighting heavyweights. THEN HE MOVED DOWN.

Because it was easier to pick up straps that way.

And I keep repeating that, because it actually happened.

Fighting Thabiso Mchunu for a paycheck is easier than fighting Joe Joyce for a paycheck.

I get it. I know why he did it. I know why Briedis did it. It's easier. But I'm not celebrating them for being pussies and doing it.

When Ray Mercer turned pro, Mike Tyson was the heavyweight champion and the cruiserweight division titles were all vacant and soon to be held by guys like Glen McCrory and Taoufik Belbouli. At 28, it would've been easier to go after a cruiserweight strap. But he went after heavyweight belts.

Usyk and Brieidis and those guys saw Wlad as the champ, and they saw guys like Lebedev with a cruiserweight strap, and went south. They were looking for easier pickings.

Whatever.

Back on point.

Evander Holyfield is the best cruiserweight ever.

Enjoy your weekend.

 

I never left that out, I even explained why: He fought SHWs in WSB because there was no 200 lbs weight class in WSB at the time. Both HWs and SHWs fought at the same weight class because of it.

Back to the point, as I said in the first page of the thread, Usyk and Holyfield can be ranked in any order at #1 and #2, I have no problem with either way.

 

There's a little sliver of daylight, IMO, between Usyk and Holyfield, and thrice as much again between Holyfield and the rest of the pack (led, I suppose, by.. Haye, Nelson, Hukić, and Sugar De León? Yeah, seems about right..)

 

The dude just doesn't get it. Pretty damn clear what you were saying. But you're arguing with a Wilder nuthugger... he'l hate Usyk no matter what due to his being more respected on this forum..

 

Adamek and Cunningham> those 4 in paranthesis

 

I'd say the six of them are squished into the clown-car together... windows rolled down, choking on Holy's and Usyk's dust.

 

Can’t forget Gomez, too. Throw Diablo in there as well and you have a very solid ATG cruiserweight top10.

 

...and Adamek, Cunningham and Haye (and to a slightly lesser extent, Gómez, for that matter) all had the potential to be hot on the Big 2's heels, if only they'd stayed and not gone chasing paydays in a division they didn't belong (where the p4p quality is poorer, but...size kinda does matter, and those guys were all natural cruisers and perfectly suited to where they were)

 

people can forget Haye was a talent once upon a time, rather than a punchline