Can Wlad surpass Homles or maybe even Louis for title defenses?

It's not splitting hairs. It's about recognizing what is and isn't a reputable title. When it comes to looking at title defences, I'd say the one belt which should be considered is The Ring/lineal title, both of which Wlad got when he beat Chagaev. Louis, Holmes and Lewis were all linear champions for a long time. Wlad has only just got it. How can you consider the WBO legit, when Erdei made so many defences? How can you consider the IBF legit, when Ottke made so many defences?

This is the problem. It means very little, in all honesty, because of how **** some champions are yet they continue to rack up defences. It just shows how worthless defences are. If we are talking about The Ring or lineal titles, though, it's a different story.

 

I see your point but you must be reasonable, if we go by this then Wlad has yet still to win the full title he has never had the WBC or WBA belts:good

Wlad is ring and now by default linear champ/

However the WBO bogus title is a different story,

Literally only WLAD has had it while being the champ, and thsi was after he had the IBF title his first run dont count, the wbo was around forever and was never unified but only dumped the undisputed title consists of the big 3 in the modern era of HWs and sadly wlad it seems has now somewhat validated the WBO and I hate it.\

Do you think Morrison , Mercer Hide and all those other far worst guys that held the WBO back then were HW title holders ? Real ones ?

Real soon we could have J Calzaghe situations with a dude staying at home making loads of defenses at the same time theres a linear unified champ some place else ?

Theres no linage there at all and and its not what the old times did

basically we should add Joe Louis's times as no 1,2,3 and 4 contender in the world as defenses also

His numbers should rise greatly :good

 

he could do it if he wanted to, the available competition is so **** and he is so much better that everyone else out there minus vitali, he could do his own 'bum of the month' club, not literally every month but he could fight 4-5 times a year if he really wanted to. As far as I know he doesnt have hand problems which is what seems like would be the biggest issue fighting that frequently.

 

Title defenses, yes. He will surpass joe louis of 25. Counting the WBO, he has 14 defenses. he has 11 more to go, an the fact he makes about 7 million a fight, is in great shape, is a health nut, takes very few punches, him going another 5 years would not be hard to believe, it would put him at 38.

Now consective is diffrent, i could see wlad holding up that long, an with that goal in mind of 25 in a row, i could see him lasting till 40. Wlad the type of fighter that is going to be in great shape when he is 60.

 

little possibility!

 

I doubt it.

He'd have to have fight more frequently to catch up. The other thing is that Louis and Holmes have going for them is that they were undisputed (Holmes's claim was stronger during his reign than Wlad's is now given that Vitaly is active).

 

I don't think he'll stay in boxing much past about 37 or so. Its getting to where the interesting fights are too hard to come by for both him and Vitali.

 

Given how the titles have changed over the years, the comparison is meaningless.

We either make it unnecessarily easy for Wlad by counting the WBO belt. His unreasonable fans will do this.

Or we make it unnecessarily hard for Wlad, by insisting that he becomes linear champ. His unreasonable haters will do this.

Given that the titles have diverged, and risen and fallen in prestige, comparisons of title fights over time are meaningless. For example, the WBA strap is now meaningless, where once it would have been part of the equation.

The fairest comparison boils down to this: when was the fighter considered as the best in the division, and for how many fights did he hold this recognition until he was defeated?
Saying he either has to have the ring/lineal title, or saying he can have any world title such as the WBO are both easy and inaccurate solutions. Both the ring belt and being considered linear mean only a bit more than the alphabet belts. The ring belt can be held hostage by it's champ, and lineage can be won by a lucky punch. Neither of them are about who the best is - again, it is just an easy answer for people who like easy answers.

Wlad become the recognised top dog in the division when his brother retired. He has had less then 14 fights and more than 2 where he has reigned. That's all that matters.

 

Louis fought the #1 contendors. Wlad avoids them. IE Haye and Vitali.

 

I have seen you write a post that explained why you post the way you do. Acknowledging that you are writing in a way that is intended to achieve an outcome.

Now that I know why your posts are so awful, it doesn't make it any more pleasant to read them. They are still awful. The shame is that I know that you could do better if you weren't on your meaningless crusade.

However, your thousands of posts on the topic indicate that you are committed to it, and I can see that won't change. Whatever justification you use, the end result is still the same - you post like an ignorant ******.

So I guess it is time for you to join the other ***gots on my ignore list.

 

When Wlad hold WBO first time it was as prestigious as IBO title now

as for thread question no he won’t get even close to those defense numbers.

 

Is there anyone who isnt Klitchko fan and hasnt been put in his ignore list?

 

If you just count the defences Holmes will probably be equalled in the first half of '12, but Wlad has a long way to go to catch up with Louis.
But you can't really compare today's situation with the late 70's early 80's, and certainly not to the 40's Louis performed in.
Current politics, shattered championship, ppv etc. make it hard to compare. For instance Larry had half of the HW championship for the biggest part of his reign, but a lot of his opponents weren't world beaters. How does this compare to Wlad?
And Joe had the full (undisputed) championship for quite a while, but had some defences against guys that would have been KO'd by Audley Harrison's one jab.
And Wlad only held the WBO belt for a while, wich of course you can't compare with Louis' real world title.

Still I expect Wlad to surpass Holmes in 2012.

 

I think Wlad can surpasse homeless