Can you be great without a never say die heart and guts?

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  1. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    Lomachenko is overrated and he's arrogant which makes him an ugly dosser

    Usyk is well above both Crawford and Loma in terms of skill, sex appeal, resume, heart and toughness
     
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  2. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wouldn't put Mayweather's "never say die" attitude alongside Leonard or Ali. Those two went into the depths of hell to pull victories from the abyss. Mayweather was great and obviously had an elite winning mentality, but I don't think he would've beaten Hearns like Leonard did, and he almost certainly would never have taken the Hagler at 160 fight after 3 years out. He would never have taken the Foreman fight in Ali's position either. All ATGs, no doubt, but Ali and Leonard are a level above Mayweather in this respect.
     
  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It definitely gets you some wins you not get otherwise.

    For example Fury's toughness got him through the first McDerm fight, which even if people thought he lost, he would definitely have lost if he didn't have that determination. Then the Cunningham fight also. Then the Wilder fights 1 & 3. The Wallin fight. The MMA fighter. Then finishing the Usyk first fight also.

    So basically if he'd had AJ's level of determination, he'd have six more losses and a KO loss to Uysk. That's quite a difference. It's a pretty huge trait to have over the course of a 'career'.

    But make no mistake, they're all warriors.
     
  4. Stonehands

    Stonehands Member Full Member

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    Yeah. I could show all the heart in the world when i just choose to fight my little cousin all the time instead of Deebo to test myself to begin with
     
  5. BCS8

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    Lomachenko foolishly decided to move up to weight classes where he was a midget.
     
  6. TowelThrower

    TowelThrower Y'all must've forgot Full Member

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    I think Crawford and Usyk’s spite is an under appreciated quality of theirs. TC always gives off a very cold and shark like impression. I distinctly remember Usyk grinning menacingly at Bellew throughout their fight lol. He did warn Fury I won’t leave you alone what I took to be a biblical reference between them but also a warning.