Can You Imagine The Beating Holyfield, Moving Up Gives Joshua!?

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  1. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're exagerrating a lot.
    Holyfield most likely wins on points, not by a KO.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Holyfield would take over at some point culminating in a stoppage IMO. Joshua would have to work pretty hard and i think he'd get worn down.
     
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  3. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ not KOing Smith
    Smith = very durable
    AJ can beat Smith on points but if he tries for KO he will probable get KO'd himself
     
  4. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    Exaggerating?
    So you reckon the Holyfield that put it on Bowe, Joshua could have got through to the final bell.
     
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  5. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    You know what, on reflection you’re probably correct…he was pretty hard to stop in his prime days. I forgot that the bulk of his stoppage defeats were when he was over 40.
    The dangerous Ruddock and a past prime Holmes stopped him however, so it would be possible, if not so likely for a hard puncher like AJ to do it.
    But I make you right…i can see AJ boxing clever like he did against Ruiz in the second fight tbh. Toe to toe with a prime Smith could be a very risky venture.
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Not a cat in hells chance, is Joshua surviving to the end against that Holyfield.
    He got knocked black and blue against chunky Ruiz, he'd be seeing stars eventually against the Real Deal.
     
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  7. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    The man was an animal, I remember the right uppercut lead followed by the left hook he landed on Bowe it was beautiful to watch, Joshua would have gone over from that alone.
     
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  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Definitely mate.
    When Holyfield started letting those punches go then it helped if you had a good chin.
     
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  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Much of my take on this fight, is based on an underlying opinion I hold that Joshua doesn't deal with pressure and pace too well.
     
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  10. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    Absolutely fella, and do you know what thinking about it, i reckon the Bert Cooper that put up such a great fight against Holyfield would kick AJs arse.
     
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  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As others have suggested, the problem wasn't that Holy lacked boxing skill (he was very, very skillful) but rather the discipline to keep it a boxing match instead of a brawl. Usyk is more disciplined in that sense, I'd say.
     
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  12. populistpugilist

    populistpugilist New Member Full Member

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    Assuming we're talking about AJ at his best v. Holy at his best, the only way I can pick AJ is to imagine an AJ I don't remember (my memory sucks) ever seeing.

    That is, AJ's weight *could* be a tremendous advantage, but I don't remember (my memory sucks) him using it that way, like, say, the way Fury used his weight on Wilder in their last fight. I seem to remember that Fury made a similar point after Usyk, something to the effect that AJ doesn't fight "like a big man."

    And: I don't remember (my memory sucks) ever seeing AJ having to deal with the ridiculous amount of pressure that Holyfield at his best would put on him all night. Usyk put a very different kind of pressure on him, one which did not lend itself to Joshua's strengths (e.g., his power), but it seemed to me to cause AJ to lose focus. I suspect that having Holyfield's forehead in his face all night may have a similar effect.
     
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It's a possibility, mate. Bert was up for a battle that night.
     
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  14. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield never put it on Bowe, Bowe was better.
    The second fight was very close and Holyfield was lucky with the circumstances (fan man).
    Now, I see Holyfield as more skilled than Joshua, but not strong enough to KO him.
     
  15. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    :lol: