Can you imagine what Fedor would have...

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by sonofdarkness, Oct 20, 2007.


  1. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    will it be a first ? triple impact on ufc's weight divisions..
    never seen anything like this before.
     
  2. thebrodstar

    thebrodstar Active Member Full Member

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    There is a lot of **** talk about all these organizations and who has the better fighters. Lets not forget that Liddell was once in Pride and that wanderlei Silva started in UFC. Many fighters go through different phases in there lives and some peak sooner than others. I don't think there is any point to talk about a Couture and Fedor fight it will never happen. Even though Couture lost half his fights he still destroyed Sylvia, and noone else could, and then went to beat Gonzaga. He is not some random fighter thats for sure.
     
  3. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    actually , wanderlei didn't start his career in ufc. But i agree with what you said.
     
  4. thebrodstar

    thebrodstar Active Member Full Member

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    really? where did he start? you learn something new everyday lol.
     
  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brazillian Vale Tudo and IVC.
     
  6. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    Liddell was never in Pride. He went as the UFC representative in the 2003 middleweight tournament trying to prove he was the best in the world and also trying to prove UFC fighters were better.
     
  7. bhwbj

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    I'm just saying that reading the Gospel of Fedor gets a little old after a while. Especially when it seems like Fedor has no interest in fighting the best opposition available.

    If you look around the net, Fedorite's also preached the word of Shogun to all that would listen....Shugun was supposed to be unstoppable....blah blah blah.... He got beat by a probable gatekeeper in Forest Griffin, who by the way fought that fight with a broken/injured hand.

    It's not a given that Fedor would dominate MMA today....nope, not even close. "Upsets" are the norm in this relatively young sport
     
  8. thebrodstar

    thebrodstar Active Member Full Member

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    He didn't do poorly either, sure he had losses but he still did good.
     
  9. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Either way despite the UFC holding all the chips the divsions look weak and fairly uninteresting. Last nights UFC apart from Silva Franklin was crap.Tim gets recycled again again.Vera although a decent guy is overrated and really needs to get off the puddings and make noise at 205 and the heavy division as usual in the UFC just sucks.

    At least in PRIDE you had the big 4 Nog Cro Cop Fedor and Barnett and a who`s who list of B/C level fighters in Coleman,Randleman,Igor,Fujita,Frye,Hunt,Kharitonov,Yoshida,Goodridge,Yvel,
    Werdum,Thompson,Alexsander E to name but a few and thats just heavy.Some of these guys are old like Coleman Goodridge and Frye but they were quality mainstays that gave you exicting bouts.The UFC doesnt have anything to even match this.And dont get me started on light heavy or any of the lower divisions. I mean Sylvia is calling out Cheick Kongo?!?!?!?! WTF!:patsch

    The talent pool has been destroyed.Dana took what he wanted thinking he`d get good results.But MMA is about as predictable as a lottery ticket.
     
  10. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tim is VASTLY underrated as a fighter. The mere fact that he is 6'8 and has to CUT WEIGHT to make 265 is enough in itself to be a challenge. Tim is a pretty solid striker that could make it a tough night for any heavyweight.

    Just because he is white trash and not all that exciting doesn't mean you have to take away from his ability to WIN FIGHTS.

    Now, it is VERY important for Pride fans to know that just because THEIR heavyweights seem unbeatable and amazing, it doesn't mean that they are. Cro Cop turned out to be a huge disappointment, he isn't nearly as good as he SEEMED to be in Pride or K1. Either that, or he SUDDENLY just became a whole lot worse.

    He looked smaller to me in the UFC. I'm not saying he DEFINITELY took performance enhancers or anything, but both he and Shogun's physique and stamina were much worse in their UFC fights.

    And **** dude, Kongo decisively beat one of the "big 4" as you call it... sure he should get the shot at Sylvia. ****, the winner of that should get a title shot. How does this not make sense?

    Fedor's never fought the best of the UFC, who is to say he would definitely win? USC looked unbeatable in NCAA football, and just by watching them without any other knowledge, you might think they had what it took to beat the Steelers, whose record was not as impressive.

    But you would be absolutely dead wrong.
     
  11. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Dude Nicolai Valuev continues to win. Thats not because his immensely talented its mostly due to his physical stature.The same is true with Sylvia.He is NOT physically blessed with great talents in any Martial arts discipline.Any guy above 200lbs can pack a punch thats the simply laws of human physics.Im not saying his a bum but the bottomline is the fans dont like him, his not entertaining and his fights are simply boring to watch.

    As for Kongo big deal.He has loss`s to Marrero where he couldnt even buy a takedown defense, and a loss to Yvel the king of the DQ`s by TKO.Kongo Sylvia does not represent the epitome of current championship scene in MMA. If this is the case in your eyes then il quit being a fan right now.As you cannot reward mediocrity just because Sylvia and Kongo are one of our only current choices in this very weak heavy division.This bout would essentially represent these 2 as being the best in the world.Surely you know that is not the case irrespective of wether Sylvia calls him out or you think he has a legit title shot even though CC lost to Gonzaga..In either case Im not sure how you think his deserving of a title shot when CC lost to Gonzaga and Gonzaga then lost to Randy.Or does he get a title shot because he beat up a Name fighter?
     
  12. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Might it be just his physical stature? Sure, it might. The point of the UFC is to find the best fighter in the world, not the most skilled fighter in the world, or the most fun to watch fighter in the world. We are trying to find out who can beat any other man here, not who can please the most fans with their fancy moves.

    Sylvia deserves the shot if he beats Kongo if only because he is the former champ. Former champ who loses his belt and then goes on to beat 1 undefeated up and coming fighter and then a fighter who beat the man who was supposed to be the best HW striker in the world, those two fights get him another shot at the title. Former champs get that consideration.

    As for Kongo, 3 back to back wins, one against Assuerio Silva, then Cro Cop, then the former champ, that certainly seems to be enough to me. Don't put so much emphasis on record, 3 wins against very high quality opponents DOES mean something.

    I really don't see what the problem is?
     
  13. oblate

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    hahaha yea right.
     
  14. curmudgeon

    curmudgeon Active Member Full Member

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    The point of UFC is to make a shitload of moneys for Dana White and friends. The rest is fine grain bulls crap marketing (pardon for a tautology);