Can you name 15 MW champions you would strongly favour to beat Chris Eubank?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Who's quoting him as a top 15 ATG! Name and shame the SOB!
     
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    I probably need to watch more of Valdez.
     
  3. LittleRed

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    Conn is honestly the only non champion on the list. I don't think the 'colored' belts are any less legitimate than the abc belts.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think the question mark is pertaining to the ABC belts as well.
     
  5. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think I can pick 15 to strongly beat him @ middleweight...I know he had some stinker performances...but the fighter that beat Benn and Watson at the weight would be a force to deal overall. Size, strength, footwork, chin, jab (when he chose to use it)
    Addendum: To elaborate a little more, Eubank doesn't have the resume to back too lofty a rating...But the eye test for me... Eubank passes. Eubank has a strange style that is very difficult to read...he has no patterns. He engages, retreats, to break offensive rhythms...He ambushes, uses the jab, boxes off the front or back foot. Given this...and add some one punch power to hurt anyone at the weight...I don't think this guy is a gimme for anybody. Any middleweight would have to respect him...and if you respect him, he can then play his back and forth games. I think Eubank is a tough out, even for the elite.
     
  6. red cobra

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    Both Griffith and Valdez beat Eubank.
     
  7. LittleRed

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    You're probably right. McGrain is too clever for such a ploy. Two clevver by half.
     
  8. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I can't.

    Southpaws Marvin Hagler, Herol Graham, Michael Nunn and Reggie Johnson I would strongly favour to beat him widely on points.

    Carlos Monzon would have trouble with Eubank's jab slips, reaching right to the body and reflexes.

    Thomas Hearns I would strongly favour to win if it went to points, due to his jab coming from the hip making it nearly unslippable.

    I see McCallum really struggling with Eubank's movement, size and youth.

    Kalambay led with the jab and Eubank was a freaky jab-slipper. He'd struggle.

    Bennie Briscoe would be nicely outboxed for four or five rounds but could outwork him down the stretch?

    LaMotta might be too busy. Robinson I don't think was big or strong enough.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    Outstanding ****ysis sir.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    This is how I see it. Eubank was never the quickest and I don't think game was built around speed. It was more about trap setting, elusiveness and solidly placed punches.

    One thing he was an ATG at was anticipation, he was a very intelligent boxer but his natural athleticism was a bit lacking for someone with his style and I also feel his arrogance went beyond confidence and his stupid posturing stance gave way to him being out worked.

    But when he did put it all together, he was a hell of a force.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    I thought Michael Watson beat him at middleweight, but was robbed.

    I'd also strongly favour :

    Herol Graham
    Mike McCallum
    Sumbu Kalambay
    Michael Nunn
    James Toney

    (So that's 5 or 6 already, not even straying away from 1990-'91, Eubank's era)

    Okay, this is easy.

    Marvin Hagler
    Carlos Monzon
    Ezzard Charles
    Mickey Walker
    Harry Greb
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Holman Williams
    Freddie Steele
    Fred Apostoli
    Marcel Cerdan
    Roy Jones Jr.
    Bernard Hopkins

    etc. etc. etc.


    Eubank was good, but in truth, the British trio of himself, Benn and Watson, made up a second-tier of middleweights at that time.
    Graham was better than all three, at 160.
    And even he came up short against the division's best.

    Comparing Eubank against the greats of all-time is nonsense, imo.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    That last sentence there is what annoys me most about some people on this forum.

    By definition every single ATG featured in a match against someone they are greater than. Most times they won, sometimes they lost. But saying Eubank shouldn't be in discussion is nonsense. The likes of Greb and Charles fought dozens of men inferior to Eubank, and they didn't emerge all of those battles unscathed.

    Is Eubank a top 15? Of course not. But could he beat those in there? Given the right circumstances, of course he could.

    Whether he would or not is the whole point of discussion.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Also there's no way Cerdan and Apostoli are locks here. I wouldn't favour I but I could envision Chris dismantling at least one of them over a series of say 6 fights.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    I listed 15 men. More actually.

    I assume the best 160 version of those fighters against the best 160 version of Eubank, so I'm not interested in "could he", remote possibilities, or "the right circumstances" or those times that Harry Greb didn't fight so great.
    Prime v prime.

    I think I partook in the discussion susbtantially with that post, tbh.
    18 names, and some commentary.

    Good thread. :good
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Eubank fought only 2 middleweights of note.
    Neither of whom were the #1 in the world, and probably not top 5 at the time, or barely.
    I think he lost to Watson at 160.
    His win over Benn was good. (Benn had previously been stopped by Watson, who in turn was beaten by Mike McCallum, one of the ACTUAL elite middles of the time).

    There's not much grounds for me envisioning him beating anyone who was #1 middleweight in the world, or taking part in 3 or 6 fight series with them.
    I'd strongly favour such a fighter.


    Chris Eubank would have his hands full with a prime Tony Sibson. And that's no knock on Eubank, since Sibson was certainly the #1 middleweight in Britain at one time too.