Can You Rightly Call Modern Fighters ATGs?

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  1. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    First, I’ll put the cut off of modern day to the mid to late 80’s when fights went down to 12 rounds and to next day weigh ins; so to answer my own question, I say no.
    With day before weigh ins and championship fights being reduced from 15 rounds to 12 the dynamics of the sport changed enough to require a different type of classification. Also factor in that championship fights are no longer held in sweltering heat outdoors and the proliferation of multiple sanctioning bodies and more weight classes further waters down modern day boxing.
    This isn’t to say that guys like Pacquiao, Floyd, RJJ and Hopkins couldn’t have been great in days past, nor is it their fault the sport changed, but the reality is they had it easier.
    Your thoughts?
     
  2. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I believe the fighters you just named would have been successful in any era. Every time we see a fighter with skill and grit,they label him a”throwback “
     
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  3. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    I disagree- at least somewhat. We know that guys like Leonard, Duran etc could go 15 rounds, in outdoor heat while weighing in on day of the fight. We can only speculate about modern guys doing it.
     
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  4. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather could go 15 rounds easy. So could James Toney he’s so relaxed
     
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  5. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    I agree they could have, that’s why they’re called old school. But could they have weighed in on the day of the fight and done it? Maybe not...
     
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  6. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some very weird stuff being said here!

    Are we supposed to believe, that the old-timers were genetically different to modern boxers - so they could somehow better stand the heat?

    If the old-timers could go 15 rounds, wouldn't modern boxers be able to do the same - if it was required of them? Why would they be unable to adapt from 12 to 15 rounds?

    And what is this thing about weighing in on the day of a fight being a problem? Is that also supposed to be an insurmountable obstacle for the modern boxers?
     
  7. PhillyPhan69

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    Shouldn’t this be in general instead of clutttering Classic up with....ahhhhh never mind
     
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  8. Rope-a-Dope

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    Just because modern fighters don't fight 15 rounds doesn't mean they're not great, just like how Joe Louis and SRR and Henry Armstrong never fought 40 round fights like some really old timers but that doesn't mean they're not ATGs.
     
  9. richdanahuff

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    Well if distance is the criteria then the 15 rds would not stack up with the 20 rds or the 25-45 etc....champions....yes IMO the criteria for ATG is met by some fighters in every generation modern era included.
     
  10. red cobra

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    In my opinion you cannot...most modern fighters haven't withstood the test of time yet.
     
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  11. Flea Man

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    It probably is for many of them.

    But if they were fighting at their ‘natural’ weight? For example I’m pretty sure Jarret Hurd could make 175 on the day of the fight in the 60’s.

    This is a weird thread. And really leans towards what people hate about ‘historians’/fans of old timers.

    As for Floyd he could easily make all of his divisions on day of weigh in, maybe not towards the end of his super featherweight tenure, but he’s a welterweight in any era for all the years he fought there. Same goes for 135. He famously didn’t cut weight.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    The flip side is worth considering: we don’t know for certain that Benny Leonard could cut to 122 with 36 hours to rehydrate, so how do we know he could prosper today fighting light middleweights at ‘lightweight’?

    EDIT: It’s not worth considering, it is a good example of how rubbish this thread is though.
     
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  13. Entaowed

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    Of course all eras have guys that could be great.
    If only one era had men boxing outdoors in winter conditions, would all others be inferior because nobody boxed near naked when it was freezing?
    Sure old-timers had special conditions in which to prove their greatness.
    But if you dominate through great effort & skill, you need not meet precise rule sets to be "great".
    Until they make it absurdly easy, such as 3 round fights with no KO's allowed or something...

    There are very challenging circumstances & goals throughout boxing history.
     
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  14. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent!
     
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  15. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree 100 %
     
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