Can you tell a fighter's heavy-handed...

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  1. Ricky42791

    Ricky42791 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Buster Mathis Jr vs Mike Tyson comes to mean, Mike misses an awful lot but you can feel the breeze in the third row lol
     
  2. Ricky42791

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqYttu4Vn44[/ame]
     
  3. pejevan

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    george foreman.


    . he does not even **** his arms far enough to actually have leveragge. it is like nhis punches are thrown half cocked.
     
  4. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Brilliant
     
  5. biglemon

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    Yes definately, look at Maidana throw a hook and miss then look at khan throw a hook and miss.
     
  6. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    some fighters are tough to fathom.

    Bradley for example looks physically very explosive and throws what looks to be extremely fast powerful shots, but doesnt seem to put many people away.
     
  7. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great example, i. One more reason why I'm convinced, after spending an eternity in the game, that all the chalk-board diagrams for punching power mean zip.

    Ya can either punch or ya can't. No way ta turn a singles hitter into Bobby Bonds. Might as well spin flax ta gold.

    Get a kick outta the exhaustive post mortems (much like Nazi skull measurements for aryan Supermen) for why Tyson, Foreman, Marciano, et al. hit so hard. If scientist/trainers had a Eureka moment, they haven't been able to turn Jekyle into Hyde.
     
  8. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who was the hardest hitter you saw that never made it(or did well) as a pro John?
     
  9. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lemme put my thinkin' cap on about this, P, 'n get back
     
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    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  11. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm guessing there must be a few contenders for this one John.
     
  12. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's to do with coordination, the stiffness of tendons, the length of levers and fundamental skills grounding.
    It's often a slippery slope when a boxer starts out, he might punch using his muscles in the correct order and maximising energy transfer but he may be stronger in some areas and his contribution from different parts of his body might be backwards compared to the ideal. I say it's a slippery slope because most boxers/boxing trainers are absolutely clueless about strength and conditioning/biomechanics and the result of this is guys who use their contributions in the correct proportions are seen as 'punchers' from the get go while the guys with imbalances never correct their motor patterns and relative strength at their different levers leaving them feather fisted.
    Bradley weighs 147 but he's very top heavy, you know you don't punch with your arms.
    The reason why it's so hard to turn someone into a power puncher is because their motor patterns that aren't optimal are continuously ingrained by repetition over the years. Boxing coaches aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and boxers aren't typically in tune with their bodies the way other athletes are.
    It's hard to change someone into a puncher but it's not impossible, there's no divine intervention when you're born and it's that sort of attitude that guarantees boxers don't evolve. Everything is trainable and I mean everything. So many coaches still believe the things that make up mental toughness are a quality you're born with, that's another thing that has been shown to be very trainable by sports psychologists.
    Boxing is playing catch up, I don't think there's any other sport that still has such widespread beliefs about things you're 'born with'. 'Born with' is old school nonsense.
     
  13. biglemon

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    No you are wrong, have you ever boxed? From my experience power is something you have or dont period, sure you can improve it but do you really think amir khan or malignaggi could ever punch like maidana or gatti? No they couldnt because there not built or born like that its ****ing simple!
     
  14. Outboxer

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    I always thought that George Foreman didn't look anywhere near as powerful as he actually was. He definitely had the size and intimidation factor, but when he threw punches they seemed slow and wide. There was no explosiveness there, like you see with the right hand of Hearns or Pac's left. Even so, when Foreman swung, people just fell over. He had a kind of clubbing, ugly power, which was even evident when he knocked out Moorer.

    I was watching one of Pac's older fights, back when he fought Julio, and one thing I noticed was the sound his punches made when they connected. Every time he landed there was a loud, audible THUNK, as if he was chopping wood. Pretty nasty.
     
  15. Brownies

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    And his punches were way slower than most KO artist. You looked at his punches, than look at the effect and it's really hard to understand what just happened. Very unusual power. If I didn't know Foreman and watched one of his fight I would not expect him to hit that hard, so there's my answer.