Can You Think of Another Fighter Who Has Been Managed as well As Cotto?

You're assuming here like you have an agenda!!

What you don't get here is Mexican fighters aren't as vocal as American fighters, and w/out a big time promoter to help it's worse. w/JMM still not being a star like he should have been he takes what comes to him. Nacho is a very stubborn man and has had both JMM, and Raf since kids so what he says goes.

He took the MAB fight because MAB was ready to fight him. Now since you're doing all this assuming tell me something that's not off of assumption...do you recall any of theses guys calling JMM out back then?

Common since back then was to take a money fight, and leave the guy who possibly beats all of them out of the picture!!

 

That was my point:deal

I assume nothing, I just took the opposite point of view than you. My point of view is that the fights simply didn't happen since I am unaware of offers being turned down.

My questions were the inverse of your questions basically.

 

Dont know much about JJ, but Marquez was given 1st priority over Pacquiao to fight Morales first, JMM was offered 1.5 mill but refused because he wanted 3 million?! Morales said **** it for JMM and offered half as much to Pacquiao.

 

But wasn't this AFTER Pacman and JMM fought to a draw, and MAB had just beaten Morales for a 2nd time?

 

yes it was

 

You've gotten quite touchy over time :think

Cotto's resume is solid (that's a bit more accurate) not suspect, but your right you are entiltiled to your own opinion.

 

That's the problem with these forums. You can't accurately gauge someone's emotions. I actually thought your post was funny. Me calling you a smart ass was in no way an expression of anger or annoyance.

 

Well you see my point then. MAB lost to Pacman and beat Morales. JMM was a big name by then for fighting Pacman to a draw. I could see him asking for good money to fight Morales.

 

Ditto

 

Same here Reg....sorry BigReg, I know you where not truly upset. You did'nt even curse... which is a red flag for me(it means caper made someone real mad)

 

Not even Pacquiao was a huge name after the JMM fight, so i dont see how JMM was deserving of $3 million when he barely got $1 mill for Barrera last March, and some interesting notes about JMM's drawing power he only made $30,000 to fight Chris John in indonesia and JMM lost his IBF belt because no one and i mean NO ONE put up a purse bid for him to fight Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym.

JMM simultaneously refused 2 of what would been his biggest paychecks in his career. IMHO Marquez became a popular fighter only AFTER the 2nd Pacquiao/Morales fight.

 

Look you're assuming he avoided them, but like I stated most inside of boxing believe and say it was the other way around. Trying to discredit or make him out to be no-one special don't make it any different.

Boom Boom states that EM offered JMM $1.5mil and i doubt it highly since EM's biggest payday isn't much higher than that!!

There's a big difference in fighting Floyd because a loss to Floyd doesn't hurt as bad as a lost to JMM would back then. Floyd the top dog, brings more money, and there's less to to lose in losing, but JMM bought no money, and everything to lose especially when there's a great chance that you will lose!! Now he brings more Money but he'll even Pac and his camp say they'll take an EASY fight in MAB 1st before fighting JMM!!

 

Pacman was a big name after beating MAB. I don't see how you can say he was not.

And whether or not JMM was a big drawing fighter was not the issue. He was well known and on many p4p lists. If he felt he was worth more than 1.5 million, then that is on him. But why would he be afraid to fight Morales if he would later fight MAB.

 

You need do some research there buddy

1st fight both fighters made $1.75 million
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2018971

2nd fight Morales made $2.75 million, Pacquiao $2 million
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2301214

3rd fight Morales made $2.75 million, Pacquiao $3 million
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2667821

anythign else you like to doubt?

 

Miranda has been managed spectacularly considering his rawness and lack of actual ability. The fact that he still gets TV fights based on reputation alone amazes me. He's not a particularly exciting fighter, although his PR people make the press think he is, he's not particularly good, but his management matched him up with good style matchups until he started getting title shots, and then he's lost his two title-type bouts, yet the networks still want to give him contracts. That seems like great management to me, and much tougher to do than with a very talented fighter like Cotto or PBF.