Cancelled! - Fights We Never Got To See

Lewis vs Kirk Johnson

 

typical response from you.

So you think Bert Cooper in Nov. 1991 was better and/or dangerous than Mike Tyson of 1991. Cooper had a "poor man's Tyson" style. No question in my mind that Tyson would have presented more danger to Holyfield on the night he fought Cooper.

Douglas/Tyson and Douglas/Holyfield don't mean as much in ****yzing Nov. 1991 Tyson/Holyfield as what transpired between Cooper and Holyfield.

It was clear Douglas was in worse shape mentally and physically for Holyfield than he was for Tyson.


The A beat B and C beat A, therefore C would beat B argument you are instituting here rarely holds water.

 

Here Wass. Stew on this.

I wish this guy was still around. Great ****ysis.

 

Typical response from you, if you believe the Cooper fight has any bearing on what would happen between Tyson and Holyfield that says it all. In shape or not, Douglas made a fundamental mistake throwing an uppercut from that position, nothing to do with is physical or mental condition. Holyfield owned Tyson's ass full stop.....

 

I wish he was here too, I'd spit is ****ysis straight back at him.

1. Strategic/technique reasons:

All this talk of Holyfield being easy to drag into a war.... Evander showed against Foreman that he could fight a smart disciplined fight against a dangerous and big puncher early on in his heavyweight career. He was a clever fighter throughout his career who studied his opponents and always had a game plan. Seeing how easily he walked through Tyson's shots in 96 going toe to toe with Tyson would see Mike come off second best anyway, Tyson couldn't handle combinations being fired back at him.

The man makes a point about Richie Giachetti training Tyson in 91 but forgets he also trained Tyson for the Holyfield rematch and we all know how that fight was going to turn out. Tyson thought he'd better turn cannibal rather than receive an ass kicking yet again. Holyfield was vulnerable to a body attack? Which bouts show Holyfield was poor at taking body shots? In fact Holyfield hurt Tyson to the body in their first fight and even dropped him with a perfectly placed body shot. Tyson even admitted in his book that he was hurt badly to the body against Tillis thus admitting his own vulnerability.

2. Physical reasons.

Young Holyfield was a completely better fighting specimen than the 96 version full stop. Much faster, better combination puncher, bigger puncher, more stamina and much lighter on the feet. Any proof the 96 version was more durable? I'm sure he was KTFO two fights prior to Tyson against Bowe, a feat Rid**** couldn't achieve against a younger, much smaller Holyfield in 92. Now we come onto the headbutt excuse. Go watch the first Tyson fight, It was Mike charging in head first that caused the cut yet poor Tyson came off second best. A little cut horrified Mike and it you could see it completely drained the fight out of him, moments later he was put on his backside by Evander... And now we come onto stamina. If you guys really believe Tyson took Holyfield lightly and didn't train then that says it all. Mike knew all along that Evander was an amazing fighter, go check all the tapes. Mike does nothing but compliment Evander, to say he didn't train is complete utter Bollox.

3. Mental reasons.

Another load of garbage, where's the evidence Holyfield was mentally stronger than the 91 version..... None at all.
Tyson was mentally strong in their first fight in 96, he took his beating like a man but it didn't change anything, he still got a.... Beating. It was Holyfield's fists that beat him not any mental fragilities.

4. Experience reasons:

Now this is a matter of opinions, which fighter was in a better state come 96. Tyson had that period of inactivity in prison but it can be argued that it saved him from some losses and beatings. Whilst Tyson was in prison Holyfield was having career shortening wars with fighters like Rid**** Bowe and co. The fact is both fighters would have been better in 91.

 

Leonard Pryor.... Shame that one never got made

 

Pirog-Golovkin. Pirog pulled out with a back injury. I really would've liked to see it.

 

Outstanding post!!! Agree 100%

 

aaron pryor vs ray mancni was close to being made
battle for ohio!

 

:goodI remember talk of that one. Good thing for Ray though. Pryor would have hammered him.

 

:goodGreat thread to bump. Thank you.

 

Joe Louis vs Nikolai Korolev
Ali vs Stevenson
Steele vs Yarosz
Tunney vs Stribling
Greb vs Dempsey
Duran vs Arguello
Bowe vs Zolkin
Hopkins vs Toney
RJJ vs Jirov
DLH vs Karmazin
Chagaev vs Ibragimov
Lomachenko vs Rigo...lets hope

 

Teo is lucky the Vysotsky losses aren't thrown in his face. Plus he never faced Greg Page, or Marvis Frazier.

 

It was never cancelled so it doesn't quite fit the thread, but a Duran Pryor matchup would have been brilliant.

 

Holmes vs. Coetzee in the summer of 1984 was a fight I was looking forward to when I was a kid. I don't think it looks all that great now in hindsight, but I remember being really bummed when that fell through.