Canelo’s 3 PBC opponents were Jermell, Jermall…and Spence

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  1. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Well, talk about a big shocker.

    Assuming the source is indeed accurate about the contract leak, then this looks horrible for Canelo. He basically just said **** everything, give me the biggest money bag one can possibly get irregardless of the optics of it. The Charlo bros thing was kinda out there already, but Spence?? That is something straight outta bizzaro world to want to fight a damaged 147 lber who was no match for Crawford. Just when you thought the idea of him possibly fighting Berlanga couldn’t get any worse, this now happens. He found someone even lower on the totem pole to go to.

    What really gets me is apparently he was offered the chance to fight the winner between a potential Crawford vs Spence rematch at a catchweight around 164. Now gets this: he said he’d only take the fight if Spence won. Since the rematch fell apart that pretty much nixed Spence as a third opponent but still, the optics here is that Canelo would’ve ducked Crawford.

    Canelo looks like he’s reached a point where he wants zero possible competition for the biggest bucks possible no matter how much whoring he has to do to get it. The fans would’ve shredded him had the Spence fight come to pass.

    Reynoso spoke a couple of days ago about Canelo’s legacy not being affected by avoiding Benavidez. True enough, but Canelo’s greed is something that will ruin his legacy or at the very least damage it badly.

    Canelo’s problem isn’t fear. His problem is greed at all costs.

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  2. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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  3. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Considering that Canelo has fought more champions than anyone else in this era, and Considering that Canelo has been fighting professionally for almost 20 years, and Considering that Canelo has the best resume at 168, and Considering that Canelo is supposedly past his prime... these young mother ****ers need to start leaning from Canelo and start fighting each other.

    Benavidez resume is pathetic.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

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    We need a more reliable source, so I wouldn't take that seriously. Canelo's trainer/manager Reynoso recently said they didn't offer him the Crawford fight, why would he say that if that wasn't a fight they wanted, that's clearly the more lucrative fight. Canelo/Spence would bomb on PPV given Spence's last performance and his own fans thinking he's shot.
     
  5. Eclipse

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    We need a more reliable source, then quotes Canelo's manager. Hilarious.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    So some random person off the internet to someone actually a part of any possible negotiations, I mean one is clearly far more reliable than the other as one actually has access to any information first hand unlike some dude on the internet trying to get views on social media.
     
  7. liger1992

    liger1992 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have no doubt PBC were all in on Spence vs Canelo.

    The only people you should be criticising is PBC who signed off on these terms.
     
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  8. Eclipse

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    Ok so you were not aware that guy in the video was quoting the report from Dan Rafael.
     
  9. Eclipse

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    Do you also criticize Canelo for demanding those terms?
     
  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I admit I didn't watch the video, it just looked like your typical low production level annoying Youtube boxing video so immediately turned it off as I've seen too many video's like this which have no real content as it's just some garbage opinion piece with some fanboy spouting his opinion as fact.

    I did a quick google to see if I could find another source but didn't find one so just assumed the source was garbage as normally someone quoting a more well known source like Dan Rafael names that source in their post because it's a name boxing fans recognise. Had anyone mentioned Rafael as the source instead of leaving me to assume it was a nobody I'm sure I would of found something on it.

    So I stand corrected the source at least from my point of view is reliable enough.

    I so agree with OP's stance that Canelo is basically only interested in money and an easy path, otherwise he would of made the Bivol rematch. Say what you will about fighters like Wilder, Joshua, Joyce when they lost they backed themselves to take an immediate rematch when they lost.

    But I still don't buy this idea that PBC actually want the Canelo/Benavidez fight. Yes Benavidez wasn't on this deal if Dan Rafael's source is to be believed. But why is, yes likely Canelo didn't want the fight when he could of dragged Spence up to fight instead. But also because PBC likely didn't want Canelo/Benavidez either. I mean which makes more financial sense, Canelo fighting Benavidez or Canelo fighting Spence if he had beaten Crawford and unified 147? Answer Canelo/Spence would have been more lucrative but clearly PBC over estimated Spence's ability and so that really wasn't an option anymore as the 3rd fight.

    Now maybe PBC then tried to shoe horn Benavidez an opponent as Spence was not longer a viable opponent and maybe that's why Canelo found a way out of the deal but that's pure speculation at this point.
     
  11. Eclipse

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    Hang on a second. What about the Charlo brothers? Both inactive. not even fighting on ppv, and no demand for those fights at all. Are you really going to dare claim those fights were more lucrative than Benavidez and PBC preferred them over Benavidez? Mall fought on Davids undercard last fight and he is a more lucrative match for Canelo?
     
  12. Brighton bomber

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    Well no obviously Benavidez fight is better than either Charlo's, for one Benavidez is actually a super middleweight and hasn't been exposed against lesser fighters already like the Charlo Bros. When I say Benavidez is overrated I don't mean THAT overrated. At best I think he's maybe on the level of someone like prime Spence, much better than the Charlo's ever were, but that's still a level below the true elite like Crawford or Canelo.

    I'm sure Canelo/Benavidez does better than Canelo/Jermell but probably not that much more. 800K would be respectable and realistic, fact is I think Benavidez needs to do more to prove he's a threat to Canelo for it so sell to the point it could do 1 mill easily. The hardcore fans will lap it up and buy it but the casuals which is what is required to get to that 1 mill level, I' doubtful. Which is why I don't think PBC want the fight now, they probably think they can marinate this fight for longer, wait till Canelo gets a bit older and the fight is more winnable and also more marketable. It sucks but that's how boxing is these days, its all about the money. In an ideal world both would just agree terms and fight for a respectable payday but both sides these days care less about legacy and more about money.

    PBC really miscalculated on the Charlo fights, they overestimated Canelo's ability to draw against such overmatched opposition.
     
  13. steviebruno

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    Benavidez was polite all along, but now that they are no longer under the same promotional banner, he should begin publicly humiliating Canelo. He should get front row seats to the Berlanga fight, talk ****, and storm the ring after the fight is over. Might as well play it up.

    "Chicken Canelo". I like it.
     
  14. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you know Canelo demanded those terms? Every post you make assumes Canelo did this or that. It's pathetic, really

    When the contracts were signed it was PBC who wanted to breach, not Canelo.
     
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  15. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's my thing, why was Canelo offered Jermell, Jermall, and Spence but Benavidez whose been w PBC for years has gotten none of those fights...and Jermall and Benavidez had real beef while back.

    To me this looks bad for PBC not Canelo. Am actually confused how anyone's takeaway could be that Canelo did wrong here - it was PBC. PBC messed up. Al Haymon messed up.