Canelo Álvarez At Light Heavyweight ~ A Much Needed Reality Check.

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  1. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Outlandish claims.. Good one, what's it like in that alternate universe of yours?
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who said anything about being a shrink? How do you reckon I'm makng anything up in regards to Canelo GGG 1? How can you compare my view of that match to the kind of crazy theories that are being made? There's a big difference between discussing who won rounds and scoring a match to believing far-fetched theories about official judges having pre-determined scores, or claiming Canelo stacks his wraps or "takes roids" or anything along those lines.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If we're talking about how a match should be scored, who won rounds, that's one thing. We can each make our case and that'll be that. But that's different than making claims about a fighter that can't be proven one way or another. Or crying about decisions and claming a close fight is a robbery because your fighter didn't get the decision. I don't try to justify any of your theories, I'm saying your elaborate theories didn't actually happen, that it's just your theory and not anything provable or real.
     
  4. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Your carrying on like one trying to work out how people are thinking

    Bore off
     
  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, pro boxing is more strange than very strange oly sport.

    1. it is possible to pick up for beat up short notice low level even for local scene journeyman.
    This stuff is impossible in amateur world, continental championship, even nationals. not alone Oly games.
    Pro boxing? Yeah, some local guy with license and most likely another job as main income might be called and offered to fight after 3 days etc. This is cool and definitely these short notice guys might " look " normal vs lads after decent pre fight training camp, it is boring.
    2. Clauses. If you can't put on clauses your amateur opponent , you can put on xx clauses pro opponent.
    This definitely gave a lot of advantage for A side guy.

    3. Opponents choice.
    Unless this isn't tournament format, in pro boxing it is not difficult with impactful manager and promoter, ppl who will invest into you, get for you normal fights.
    By normal fights I mean at least to climb till high level gatekeepers.
    Even there cherry pick and different stuff might be used: clauses, short notice vs guy with decent pre fight camp etc. Old, out of shape, over the hill boxers in AWAY corner vs A side kid, not rarerly also tickets seller.

    Ofc title fights are different and still there mhmm. might happen nice scoring on cards, cool refs etc.

    In amateur tourunaments you at least fight with every one who they will gave you to fight with. These usually also are not enough old.


    I agree, Oly stuff too is not nice looking. Pro boxing is even worse.
     
  6. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    These things are hard to prove, of course any information pertaining to corruption is going to be withheld.. What you think they'd just tell everyone the judges are in their pockets and Canelo is on Clen? Yes you can't say Canelo definitely bought the judges or definitely took Clen (purely because we don't have footage of Canelo actually taking Clen or Oscar buying judges) but the whole context and countless indicators make it a very reasonable conclusion to say Canelo buys judges and is a clen head. You stick your head in the sand and buy every excuse out there just because this corruption has not been formally exposed when in reality, it is HIGHLY LIKELY all this dodgy **** is going on.

    Ultimately, you're just a fanboy who wants to believe Canelo is all mighty and moral... Pretty gay to be honest.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not reasonable at all. It's crazy talk. You're like a broken record with this stuff and there's no point in discussing it since it can never be proven either way and has no bearing over the important stuff like scoring matches and debating rounds, the things that actually matter. Your theories are your theories. They have no basis in reality and it's merely your way to deflect from having to give him his due and have real discussoins about what happens in the ring.
    I'm not sticking my head in the sand at all. I'm well aware of what you're arguing, but I'm not gullible, I don't believe in far-fetched theories because they sound crazy and/or are blatantly unfactual. In many cases I point out details that people forget or aren't aware of that explain some of the things that cause you to believe what you believe.
    You've convinced yourself of this. I'm simply NOT believing your crazy theories about Canelo and am trying to stick to discussing what it is important, like scoring matches rather than exploring the conspiracy realm as you are.
     
  8. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmao
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Feel free to write a thousand letter essay explaining how Canelo can do no wrong. That'll teach me all about delusion and fantasy.
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The accusations you made about him don't hold up. The stacking claim is he said, he said. Sanchez vs the inspector, who do you believe. Could we even see the wraps from the video? Your argument is total belief in Sanchez. I have no reason to take Sanchez's side over the inspector. Doesn't mean I think Canelo can do no wrong, only that I have no reason to believe Sanchez's claim about stacking. Seems to me that California is more strict about hand warps than Nevada, maybe in the past Sanchez got away with getting people to re-wrap in California, but the standards may be different about what is allowed in Nevada. This doesn't make it corrupt or Canelo getting any knd of special treatment, it's just knowing the rules of the state you are fighting in and not makng a total fool out of yourself as Sanchez did.
     
  11. 22JM

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    :lol: tha is bs just look at this thread it's a perfect example many were picking Kova even tho he was probably not at his best and look at the same people making excuses after the fight :lol:
     
  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    I wasn't picking him

    I think he was done
     
  13. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    “Can Canelo beat 6’0 Anthony Yarde?” Lol ****sake.
     
  14. drenlou

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    Could be. :b1: But im referring to certain poster on ESB.
     
  15. Braindamage

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    LOL In some peoples estimation, Ward was in grave danger going into the first fight. Some said, at minimum, he would never be the same or worse, he wouldn't leave the ring alive.
     
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