Canelo against guys his own weight or heavier

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I re-watched lara/canelo, I'm wondering if what people are saying about Canelo not being able to fight guys that are his weight or heavier is true. Canelo clearly outweighed Lara, and Lara was landing clean headshots at will but they didnt really affect Canelo. Canelo's gameplan was basically take headshots walk forward and just throw massive body shots whether they landed on his hips, elbows, or clean. I don't know how anyone could give 7 rounds to Canelo in that fight. Canelo clearly beat Cotto on the other hand, but Cotto is a tiny JMW, and really past his prime. Just because he was easily beating guys at 160 one of the weakest divisions in boxing does not mean he was back in prime form.
     
  2. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lara did absolute sh!t that entire fight for all the talk about what Canelo didn't do Lara did a great deal less.
    I don't understand why people act like Lara put on some boxing clinic I personally didn't see him winning anymore than 4/5 rds in a close snoozer.
    It was also like a 3 lbs difference fight night so why continue this myth that he's vastly bigger than his opponents?
     
  3. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, he was pretty much on his bicycle the whole time not doing much. Although I feel Canelo was the same and didn't exactly win in the most convincing way...
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo won more rounds because he was getting inside and landing quality punches on Lara. Lara was just jabbing jabbing jabbing and throwing occasional basic right hands that Canelo was evading. Canelo has something called upper body movement. Canelo has something called head movement which makes him hard to hit clean. Canelo can slip a punch and counter you with powerful punches. Most of the punches Lara was throwing on Canelo weren’t landing clean. Lara was too scared to step into the pocket and throw significant punches because he was worried about being countered and hurt. That’s why Canelo is so tough, because one punch from Canelo can knock you out so opponents like Lara was very very tentative to load up and land a punch that is actually going to hurt Canelo. Lara’s punches were missing, grazing or glancing punches due to Canelo’s superior defensive skill while Canelo was able to get in there from time to time and land hard body shots and the occasional crowd pleasing combinations.

    Canelo was in there doing the hard work to make it an entertaining fight (slipping punches, landing hard body punches, and other flashy punches) while Lara was content to just throw repetitive pawing jabs all night with the occasional right hand that Canelo saw coming and was able to slip all night.

    Lara didn’t use any upper body movement like Canelo did. Lara just stood upright with his back arched while moving laterally, which is a basic, predictable boxer puncher style. Lara didn’t do anything to really surprise Canelo, he just did the same thing round after round and it wasn’t bothering Canelo. Even the jabs that landed on Canelo, Canelo just walked right through them and found openings to land the more impressive punches in the fight. At least Floyd when he fought Canelo used upper body movement, slipped some of Canelo’s punches, and landed some quality punches of his own. Lara wasn’t doing that stuff so it’s hard to give Lara rounds when Canelo was landing the better more quality punches round after round. Lara’s a good boxer, but he is not as dynamic in there as Canelo. He didn’t do what it took to win the close rounds, by landing those 1 or 2 big punches on Canelo in a close round that caused the judges to score the round for Lara.

    As far as Cotto, Cotto really hasn’t been prime probably since the Yuri Foreman fight, and even that was a stretch. That was the last time I really remember seeing the “eye of the tiger” “cerebral” “seek and destroy" Cotto that regard as Prime Cotto.

    By the time Cotto fought Floyd he was past prime, by the time he fought Canelo he was even farther past prime. And at no point during the Canelo fight did I see a Cotto that was really in there trying to win the fight. It seemed like Cotto was in there to pass the torch to Canelo, so he wouldn’t have to fight GG or have to deal with the WBC any longer.

    Amir Khan was a much tougher opponent for Canelo than Cotto, as Khan really possessed the ability to win rounds vs Canelo. Canelo showed Cotto a lot of respect, and since Cotto wasn’t trying to land quality punches and really win rounds, Canelo had no reason to attempt to KO or hurt Cotto. Khan on the other hand came in there trying to do damage on Canelo, and landed quality punches and was elusive early on with good overall speed. By Khan winning those early rounds, that forced Canelo to kick it up a notch and get into a different mindset that he had against Cotto, to time Khan and land a shot that came when Khan started to fatigue in the middle rounds.

    A lot of people are taking shots on Canelo, saying all this stuff about him that has no factual basis. “he can’t fight guys that are at his weight or heavier”? He fought guys that were at his weight (154) or heavier (Cotto, Khan, Kirkland, etc). We know Cotto and Khan were blown up welterweights, but they weighed in near or in Khan’s case above the JMW limit so that’s what their weight was.

    I can understand wanting to see Canelo fight bigger guys moving forward, either at MW or at least legit established JMWs. If he fought Liam Smith, for example, then we could see him fight a guy that is more his size than a past prime Cotto for example, a guy (Smith) who is established at that weight class. But when I look at Amir Khan, he’s may have been a blown up welterweight, but he’s a big guy. I mean he looked like a legit JMW in there. I think this criticism all stems from the fact that Canelo is just really talented, really strong and really powerful and he’s just too powerful for the top contenders at JMW, which is a more stacked division than MW.

    People want Canelo to fight GG or bigger MWs because Canelo will be favored vs pretty much any blown up welterweight or JMW out there. Because he’s got so much strength and punching power, so fans want him to fight bigger guys than he’s ever fought before. But in reality, he should be fighting guys ranked at JMW, like a Liam Smith, or pretty much anyone else ranked at JMW besides Cotto or guys that he already beat.
     
  5. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I thought Lara won 7-5 but I agree with acie, he wasn't doing much, I've not got much problem with anyone picking Canelo as the winner in that fight.
     
  6. panchman69

    panchman69 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Problem with guys who weigh the same as canelo is thay thwyre 3 inches taller and more mobile
     
  7. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Alvarez KO'S Lara in a rematch... IMO.
    That said tho... imagine Lara trying to get a fair shake on the cards this time... lol

    IF he wasn't worth a close decision back then he definitely ain't worth one now.
     
  8. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how exactly will Canelo do that? He hasn't shown any indication that he will do anything different vs Lara
     
  9. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Lara looks like ****, that's why