Canelo Alvarez, dont belive the hype?

He was half black american. Look at his hair. Dude could have had an afro.

 

Some would consider him black, but I guess it would come down to what he considered himself right? Not you, me, or anyone else.

I've seen him go into some fights waving the Mexican flag as he made his ring enterance (Angel Manfredy fight). But maybe it just depended on where he was fighting to get the local support.

that fight was in El Paso, huge Mexican community.

 

He wasn't just getting hurt on the ropes, he was baiting Shavers in while engaging with him. He also brawled with Frazier in the first fight when he still had legs, he also brawled with Bob Foster in the middle of the ring while daring him to hit him.

Being in awe of his skills and saying those are great fights are two different things, you seem to be confused easily.

There's been 1 in the last 10 years which is Ward vs Agustus. Corrales was half Mexican half Colombian, I never saw him wearing a dashiki or reping the brothers.

In the 90's There were 4 FOTY's featuring a brother.

1998 - Ivan Robinson vs Arturo Gatti
1994 - Jorge Castro KO9 John David Jackson
1992 - Riddick Bowe vs Evander Holyfield
1991 - Julio Cesar Chavez vs Meldrick Taylor

Holyfield vs Tyson doesn't count since it got a sympathy vote, no way was it the best fight of the year. John David Jackson is half Mexican so I guess you guys get half.

80's - 6

Muhammad vs Lopez
Leonard vs Hearns
Hagler vs Hearns
Leonard vs Hagler
Lopez vs Lockridge
Duran vs Barkley

70's - 8

Frazier vs Ali
Foster vs Finnegan
Foreman vs Frazier
Ali vs Foreman
Ali vs Frazier III
Foreman vs Lyle
Young vs Foreman
Spinks vs Ali

You see the trend here? In the 70's 13 of the 20 fighters involved in the FOTY were black Americans, in the 2000's it's 1 out of 20. How much more proof do you need about black Americans becoming safety first divas? I should end it right there.

The proof is in the pudding, no need to argue any longer. No matter what I put in you're face your dumb ass is going to try to spin it.

I'll just show how much of a dumbass you are trying to cover for your ***** made diva Dirrell.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/28/1394059/andre-dirrell-out-of-the-hospital

You see that? The ***** made running diva made the **** up just like you do on here.

That doesn't mean ****, you might not have been around in those days but Roy fought 1 legit guy in 6 years. Let me say that again 1 LEGIT GUY IN 6 YEARS!!!!

That 1 Legit guy was Reggie Johnson, the rest of the time he spent it fighting police officers and garbage men. You might not been around in those years but even the brothers online were tired of his diva ***** made attitude. That was between Ruiz and Virgil hill, none of the guys had a shot and nobody wanted to see those fights besides Roy and his kids.

You can prove me wrong by finding an article saying that the hospital said he had a concussion. If not you are just covering for him cause u don't want him to look like a ***** made running diva he is.

You keep bringing up the same 1 guy who is Mayweather, funny how u **** on Gatti yet Arum never had the confidence of putting Mayweather on PPV until he was able to get him in with Gatti.

He lost all creditability, he used to be the baddest dude in Boxing. When he said something people listened, now he's just a clown who falls over when anything touches him behind the head. Just like Nate Campbell, another so called tough black American who starts seeing spots when the fight ain't going his way. You see the pattern here? Better to hustle and make that check then maybe have to do what you're paid for which is fighting.

I already told you he was exciting before Forrest cut his balls off, why do you have to keep making me repeat myself? He's still effective but his clinching make the fight stall way too much for them to be exciting.

A great performance or KO does not equal a great fight, are you really that slow?

How is Zab Popular? Zab and Tszyu couldn't even sell half the MGM grand in the one of the biggest 140 pound fights of the last 20 years.

"Zab a draw" HAHAHAHAHA

Toney and Jirov fought plenty of times on HBO, and in Europe the cruisers are a big deal. It's just the same trend though, black Americans are box office poison.

54k paying customers is 100X better then 500 people Berto or Dawson bring in their home town.

The second Diaz fight was actually closer to 200k. It might sound like a joke to you since you don't know **** but that's actually a very good number in Boxing today.

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/no...von-alexander-hard-work-dedication-paying-off

The first Marquez vs. Diaz fight did over 1 million at the gate in Texas.

How old was Mayweather when he reached 500,000 on PPV?

Morales and Barrera did over 300k in both their PPV fights, this fight is on Showtime though you SHOULD know that. The point is these small guys can fill up grand arenas while only 1 black American can do that and that's Floyd.

 

You keep trying to compare everyone with Floyd, PPV is not the only revenue stream in Boxing. Boxers that put asses in seats are a big asset to the sport but since u don't understand the business you wouldn't know that.

Adamek does damn good in Jersey plus he gets a substantial revenue from Polish Television.

Klitschko's don't need American TV, they get the best Sport ratings in German Television besdies the German Soccer team. They get more asses in seats then any Black American since Ali. And you still trying to hate on that? HAHAHAHA

I didn't say "Only black fighters do bad in America" I said they do the worst out of everybody else, that's why they are more of a liability when promoting them.

By your standards only Pac and Floyd are draws which is a joke, they are SUPER STARS. Not everyone is boxing can be at that level, we need medium level draws that not only draw PPV"s and gates but Television ratings. You want to know who holds what the lowest HBO rating ever on HBO championship Boxing?

Chad Dawson vs Glenn Johnson

Then it's

Chad Dawson vs Tarver II

The black Americans can't even draw on Television let alone at the gate. Your theory about the fans becoming more dumb is a typical lame response I've come accustomed by you. Fans were so educated back in the day that they actually boo'd during Ali vs Frazier I.

This conversation isn't going to lead anywhere, I've proved to you how black Americans have become ***** made divas. They don't fight anymore or make exciting fights, the proof is in the FOTY winners. You can believe what you want but deep down you know it's not true, black Americans have gone soft. It's not a bad thing, it's happened to all the other people in American from the Italians to the Irish to the Jews.

The sad thing is you look for excuses instead of embracing the truth

 

He is a hypejob. He couldn't even do a proper jab, and his legs are too far apart when he throws his combos. Hypejob. :rofl

 

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yea...that's why he KNOCKED out Baldomir while your precious gayweather couldn't do it....when he himself was running around the ring agaisnt baldomir. ****in *****

 

He wasnt baiting ****. He didnt have the legs to move like he used to so he had to fight off the ropes. The exact thing that led to his disease later on in life. Like I said name one time where Ali brawled willingly when he still had his legs. And no moron Ali was already past his best in the 1st Frazier fight. You think a prime Ali loses to Ken Norton LOL! Like I said you dont know **** about boxing.

Mayweather vs Corley was a great fight. Corley just isnt a big household name. But we can see in his fights with Judah, Cotto and Maidana he is a tough customer.

Name the last time a black American fighter came into the ring wearing a dashiki moron. Corrales was black. His father was a black man. Mexicans are usually the ones who have to rep their flag against a black man, right before they get their ass whipped by one.

So your dumbass just takes away Tyson and Holyfield? Uhh that was a great fight jackass. One of the most anticipated in boxing history. Should I take away GAtti vs Ward because it was two low skilled white boys who Floyd would have beaten at the same time lol?

Leonard vs Hearns = Boring. Leonard vs Hagler = Boring. That makes 4 if we are going by exciting fights not fights that had public acclaim. Have you see Leonard vs Hearns lol?

An era of great black heavyweights. We'll never see that again. Now we got fat Mexicans and boring Europeans. No wonder boxings going downhill. Need another black fighter to reignite interest like a Tyson.

Promoter Gary Shaw has provided an update on the condition of Andre Dirrell after the blow he suffered when Abraham landed a huge right hand to his head while he was down. “Andre suffered a concussion. One doctor thought he suffered a seizure. His thoughts were very scrambled. He went from yelling to everyone over at Showtime, ‘who called me a coward’ to yelling ‘they knocked me out’ to ‘where’s the fight? I want to fight,’”


Yep fail again punk ass n!gga.

Lets see

Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill - Champ
Lou De Vale - Champ
Eric Harding - Beat Tarver before he faced Roy
Julio Cesar Gonzalez - Champ after Roy beat him. Beat the Pole that you say Roy ducked
Clinton Woods - Champ
John Ruiz - Heavyweight Champ
Antonio Tarver - Champ

So thats 6 champions he faced in under 6 years. I didnt know the light Heavyweight division was making champs out of garbage men. Well you can only fight whos put in front of you.

Fail again pedro.

His fights with Oscar, Vargas, Cotto and Margarito were all exciting. You dont know **** about boxing fool. 39 years old and Mexicans still cant beat him.

 

Gate doesnt mean **** when compared to Pay Per View revenue. I can sell a seat for a peso and it will sell out. A Mayweather fight seats go for thousands of dollars. What do you think matters more clown? If Mayweather sells 3/4ths an arena in Vegas or if Morales sells 54K in Mexico.

The last time he fought in Jersey his fight wasnt even on TV. :rofl

I have nothing against Klitsckos doing bank in Germany. However as I've proven no fighter but Floyd and Pacquiao does serious bank in America. Which totally debunks your theory that blacks cant sell in America, considering as popular as the Klits are in Germany, HBO wont even broadcast their fights. HBO must be racist.

Considering Hopkins, Wright and Jermain Taylor do better numbers then Mexican legends in MOrales, Barrera and Marquez. And that Floyd Mayweather is the richest athlete in boxing today, thats just wrong son. Sorry but you are continuously wrong. You just dont know **** about boxing.
[qupte]we need medium level draws that not only draw PPV"s and gates but Television ratings. [/quote]
Name Mexican/white stars that draw big PPV's and television ratings. The last all-mexican pay per view bout did less then 200,000 buys, and that was the rematch after a fight of the year. Cant get any more pathetic then that. Please name some fighters of Mexican or white descent that do well in America so I can laugh at you and debunk them like i've done the rest.

No you havent. You've proved nothing actually but that out of all the fighters in America, the only ones guaranteed to make a little bit of revenue for their companies are black. For as popular as Marquez and Morales and the like are in their community when it translates to actual revenue they fall short.

If that were true it certainly doesnt show up in the P4P rankings or fighters that hold straps. Black Americans make up only 12% of the American population, not half of the populaton of Mexico, and an 8th of the population of Europe, yet black Americans hold 8 straps currently in boxing and have 3 fighters in the top 10 pound for pound. With rising stars like Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell (dominating super middleweight as children basically), Timothy Bradley, Devon Alexander, Dontay Wilder, Kirkland, Mike Jones and others certainly to make their mark within the coming years. Maybe HBO will have the balls to ruin Canelo's career against one of these fighters lol.

 

WTF? I love black people but I hate Mayates... those little bitches with their ass hanging from their pants talking all stupid gibberish non sense.

But yeah, I like Mayweather and Mosely probably my favorite black fighters... Mosely because he has a good personality how can you not like him? He is in decline but the younger him gave some good fights.

Mayweather because of the way he fights so beautifully and One of my black friends is a cocky little **** so I don't get annoyed by mayweather...

But yeah I don't know why you guys are in here talking about Black fighters, if you know they are good and I know they are good you need not to argue that.

Canelo is gonna be GreaT!...

Plus Mayweather and mosely wear Mexican trunks you gotta love that... :yep But thats what they gotta do, because black fans do not support their black fighters... and Mexicans do, so they want some of that action $$

 

You're a **** head who hasn't even seen the fights you comment on. He baited both Shavers and Foster but regardless Ali was in plenty of FOTY's, he wasn't a safety first diva like black Americans have become.

Great fight is your opinion, I watched it at a casino and everyone wanted it to end to see the replay of Roy getting waxed by Tarver.

Exactly.

All that black pride died during the early 90's

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After that black Americans really started going soft and the ***** made diva fighter was born.

Corrales came out with Mexican flags against Manfredy, there was nothing black American about him. Only thing he and lets say Floyd have in common is they beat their women.

It was a great performance and great upset but the fight was not great. Tyson was dominated throughout, it's one of the weakest FOTY picks the ring has ever done.

Ward vs Gatti I is a great FOTY, the third one is sketchy but still a great fight. Tyson vs Holyfield was a sympathy vote like I already said, everyone agrees except your dumb ass.

You praise Tyson vs Holyfield but **** on Hearns vs Leonard? You are a ******.

Exactly, black Americans just don't have that hunger any more. They have become soft in general, getting beat up in the ring by a fat Mexican with tities. What the **** happened?

Post a link Tyrone.

See Bold

Mosley beating Mexicans has nothing to do with him being a boring clinching fighter, stay on topic.

Mayweather vs. Judah did 370k PPV buys, why you gotta make **** up? Why you keep bringing up Mexicans? It isn't going to change the fact that black Americans have become box office poison.

You keep bringing up Mayweather and you keep bringing up PPV as if it's the only revenue for the fighters.

Cruiserweights have never been a glamor division but there was a time they were on HBO, now a talented philly fighter can't even get the air time because he can't sell more then 200 people in his home town. He also can't bring in ratings so he's off to Europe.

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http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/65987

Berto can barely sell 972 tickets in his home town.

Paul Williams who is the most exciting black American 2400, like I said black Americans are box office poison.

yup and Hopkins and Jones are two of the biggest superstars in the last 20 years when it comes to black Americans. That fight killed 2 birds with one stone, now neither of those guys will ever sell over 50k buys while Marquez is still getting high profile fights and headlining arenas.

Mayweather vs Baldomir did 325k buys **** ****.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2657809

Those are all around the same ball park, you are talking about fights 3-4 years ago.

I told you about Morales and Barrera PPV buys because u said featherweights can't sell. Now you bring up the biggest PPV buys of black Americans of the last 5 years to compare?

You're a moron who misses the point, there's really no reason to argue with a ****** like yourself.

You keep bringing up Mayweather because he's the only black draw, you are a ******.

It was on PPV in the states but he still had over 10k people there, now you're going to argue that Adamek isn't a draw? You some sort of head case?

They are the only superstars in America that is true, but it doesn't change the fact that black Americans have become safety first divas which is the whole point of the conversation.

Safety first divas = box office poison.

No FOTY = Box office poison.

Nobody wants to promote you = Box office poison.

Anyone with half a brain that has read this will agree with me, I put forth facts and back up my claims. You obviously have a lot invested in this conversation and somehow feel that calling your people soft is a direct attack against yourself. You feel the public just doesn't appreciate the sweet science and that's why nobody cares to purchase tickets or watch HBO when a black American is on.

Like I said before the Italions got soft, the Jews got soft, the Irish got soft. It's an evolution that when living the good life for long enough people get soft, it has happend to the black American now.

The whole point of this is there just isn't enough entertainment value in today's black American, the facts are out there. Arguing with you is a big waste of time because you can't comprehend the facts that are put forth in front of you.

"You can only lead a horse to water but can't make him drink"

 

Canelo is good, but people are hyping him like Khan And Ortiz when they first started. The SAME can be said about Benavidez. Let this dude fight someone of Caliber first.

 

Benavidez has accomplished 0 Caenlo already has accomplishments.

 

It's obvious he was, what? A face first brawler? No, it's not.

Do you actually understand what a brawler is? I don't think you do.

Mike Tyson was an incredibly talented boxer, who happened to have amazing power and lightening hands. He was not trained to be a brawler and in his prime, fought nothing like one. Cus D'Amato never trained him to fight like a brawler but a technician.

If you honestly think Tyson was a "faced first brawler", no matter what you add onto that description, you're flat out wrong. He was a very good boxer, who had exceptional defence and a good jab.

Ali didn't choose to fight that way. Why would he? He had great physical ability and could use those abilities to avoid getting into fights which suited his opponent, but just because he didn't choose to fight that way, he wasn't afraid of getting into a fight either. He was good enough to get into a very tough fight and win.

Of course they draw. The very definition of being a draw is to actually make money. Do you know which fighters make money? Plenty. Mayweather and Pacquiao are superstars but they aren't the only draws in boxing, just because they make the most money in America.

They are huge draws, but there are still draws.

So?

None of that is relevant to my point, but I'll answer you anyway.

Those fighters go to America because it's the neutral ground. I'm not saying America isn't relevant at all, I just realise that it's not the nation who rules boxing like it once did. Fighters who want to prove they are the best, go to America. It's just easier that way. The majority of boxing press is American, so fighters get more recognition.

As far as money goes, boxing is no longer monopolised by America. Far many fighters, they can make more outside of America than in it.

You said "if they make it big in America" and that's the issue.

Boxing is no longer a dominant sport in America so it's harder to make good money there. If a boxer becomes big in America, yes, he'll make millions, but that's a big if. Thanks to the amount of ****ing horrible, cowardly fighters America produces, like Andre Dirrell, many Americans have swtiched allegiances to MMA, where fighters will fight. The interest is no longer as big as it was in America, so it's much harder to make money there.

 

It is said by who? Give me a source.

Even if it is true, which I doubt, when Johnson did call Dempsey out in 1922, that was years after a green Dempsey had already beaten Johnson in this, possibly mythical, exhibition match. Dempsey's peak came was the early 20's, when Johnson called him out, and the exhibition must have been before that.

Johnson was arrested in 1912 and sentenced in 1913, which he ran away from. For the next 7 or 8 years, he was in exile, away from America. He didn't fight in America from 1912 to 1926.

Dempsey turned pro in 1914 and reached his prime in 1920-22, whilst Johnson was still away from America.

So you're saying very, very green Dempsey, who had yet to turn pro, beat the heavyweight champion of the world in an exhibition match? In which case, if they had fought in Mexico in 1922, Dempsey KO1, yeah?

When they could possibly have fought in a real fight, after Johnson's prison stretch, the fight would have been badly one sided.

You have gone from "Johnson would have knocked Dempsey out" to "Dempsey ducked Johnson" to "Johnson ran Dempsey close". What the **** is your next excuse going to be? Stop wriggling and admit you are wrong. Completely and utterly schooled.

I have seen the fight.

Understand this; when Johnson was in his prime, the rules were different. There was much less restriction on the number of rounds (Dempsey lost to Tunney in a 10 round fight, Johnson lost the title to Willard in a 45 round fight) and, as such, the rules of clinching were a lot different. Yes, Tunney did clinch but not excessively and he didn't work from the clinch like Johnson did. Why? It wasn't legal. So this nonsense that you're spouting, trying to link their styles, was impossible by the letter of the law, which outlawed the style of boxing that Johnson used!

Incredible.

Tunney and Johnson were vastly different fighters. I consider Johnson to be one of the last great champions of another era. Tunney was probably the first great champion of the new era and new style of boxing.

Puerto Rico produces many great champions. I have no problems admitting that they are a great boxing nation.

And as America has around 5 times the population of Britain, there would need to be 15 American champions for you be proportionately as good as Britain, when it comes to producing champions. There are, what, 7 or 8 American champions? So, statistically, you produce half as many champions per capita as Britain.

 

Ali's fights were fight of the year because he was Ali and popular. And because he was bigger and stronger then his opponent they usually ended in KO. But in no way would Ali go out of his way to create excitement through brawling, other then his own version of clowning for the cameras. Like I said watch his fights with Floyd Patterson and Archie Moore, 2 shot fighters, he could have easily taken out early but instead jabbed from the outside until they were softened up and then went for the kill.

Nah, its just not my opinion, anyone who can appreciate boxing can appreciate that scrap.

Is that why we are less then a % of the population yet 30% of the P4P top 10?

Corrales was black. His daddy was black. His skin was black. His hair was black.

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Diego's daddy.

Read through some of your selections from the 70's and 80's and you believe this is the weakest pick the ring has ever made LOL!.

Ward vs Gatti was two bums going at it that barely anyone actually saw live. Tyson and Holyfield was two great warriors and the whole world was watching. Of course you can see the difference.

Hearns vs Leonard was a boxing contest for about 10 rounds with little action once Hearns got on his bike and behind the jab. Holyfield and Tyson were in eachothers grills the entire fight.

Yeah and since young mexicans with titties is all heavyweight boxing has, oh and big white robots, boxing has become not even a mainstream sport anymore. The world yearns for another black boxer to take back the heavyweight division and make it exciting again. Says it all really. But I dont know, too busy dominating basketball and football, could cut into the numbers.

Did Mosley clinch when he beat Margarito from post to post? Did he clinch cotto which was another legit candidate for fight of the year? You're a clown.

Box office poison yet you cant point out any mexicans or whites that generate pay per view numbers in America.

Pay Per View is what drives sales. Gate doesnt mean **** when it comes to pay per view dumbass. Manny vs Clottey sold 50,000 in Dallas. Mayeather vs Mosley sold maybe 15,000 in Vegas. Who do you think had more revenue you ****ing ***.

Bwhahaha. Who gives a **** about HBO. Why do you keep bringing up HBO clown? HBO doesnt mean ****. Pay Per View is what drives boxing. Not ****ing HBO. Tell me ass hole, when is the last time that HBO put a cruiserweight on BAD. Hell David Haye vs MAccrenilli wasnt even on American TV. And that was for all hte marbles at cruiserweight. What because they used to show a few James Toney fights on Friday Night Fights people cared about Cruiserweight? :rofl What a clown you are.

You just proved my point jackass and you dont even know it. Marquez vs Juan Diaz in Juan Diaz hometown of Houston, a heavily hispanic city, only did some 4,000 paid attendance. tHe number 1 lightweight in the world against the number 2 fighter in the world and the fight only has 4,000 people attend. Hell thats less then what Ward got in Oakland, and what Dirrell got in Detroit. Then you have the number 1 American contender in the world, a Mexican, in a Mexican city of LA, against what many perceive is the best heavyweight in the world in Vitali Klitskco, and the fight barely does 9,000 in attendance? Basically what Andre Ward vs Allan Green did. So let me see, you got a bunch of poorly attended fights, with the only difference in being the Mexicans were fighting highly ranked fighters in major cities of Mexican influence and did poor numbers and you say this is black fighters fault? :rofl you're a joke.

So wait? You are saying 2 fighters 1 of which everyone knows is shot to pieces and another that everyone knows is boring, still managed to do the same as 2 fighters who have just had fight of the year and you then claim that Marquez will have high profile fights and "headline" arenas? I have to be being punked right now. Nobody is this stupid. Where you at Astin?

300,000 is not selling. Mayweather vs MBaldomir did more then Morales vs Barrera. Lets see 2 Mexican legends, who everyone knew was going to fight a war did less then Mayweather vs Baldomir which everyone who knew boxing knew was a mismatch? Yeah great point clown.

Nope I brought up Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright, and Roy Jones Jr and Zab Judah who were all involved in bigger selling Pay Per Views then the Mexicans you listed. Sorry I just keep debunking everything you say. Maybeyou should just be smarter or something?

Meaning he was such a non story that no cable network would pick up his fight. Tell me, how many buys did Adameks fight do?

Timothy Bradley? Safety first? Nope

Andre Ward? Safety first? Nope

Paul Williams? Safety first? Hell no, doesnt know how not to stop throwing punches.

Devon Alexander? Safety first? Hell he was still coming forward as Kotelnik was boxing his ass.

Mosley?
Kirkland?
Cloud?

Again you're a joke fool.

Obviously fight of the year doesnt mean **** considering the rematch ofthe fight of the year coudlnt even do more hte Hopkins vs Roy Jones jr which HBO didnt even promote lol.

No you dont. You have not put forth one high selling Mexican or white boxer in America.

I know we arent soft. I mean look at our neighborhoods, look at how we dominate American sports. Its exactly the opposite infact. We are too hard. :rofl Ask your women.

Its only a waste of time becuase I repeatedly own you and you arent smart enough to come back with a decent repy. Honestly its just hilarious to me.