Canelo Alvarez vs Billy Joe Saunders, who takes it?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by tommyg6, Dec 18, 2017.


Which result?

  1. Alvarez by stopppage

    3 vote(s)
    7.0%
  2. Alvarez by decision

    17 vote(s)
    39.5%
  3. Draw

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  4. Saunders by stoppage

    2 vote(s)
    4.7%
  5. Saunders by decision

    20 vote(s)
    46.5%
  1. velagod

    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Saunders would win every round and it would end in a draw.
     
  2. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm simply comparing styles unbeaten Trout is/was arguably on the same level as BSJ now had a better win and wasn't ducking top comp for years like Billy, while I'll concede that open scoring altered the fight realistically Trout got beaten up and dropped for the first time. Lara who was/is considered some master boxer bogie man got beat to the body and ran. if you look at my history you know i perfer boxers to brawlers so saying he ran speaks volumes, even people who scored the fight for Lara, pros said he ran you can't win a fight running. Cotto while not prime was on a run of good wins and not coming off a 2 yr layoff like vs Ali the Real MW Champ and he got out boxed and out fought.
    Khan is just mentioned strickly due to style everyone can agree hes a capable boxer just doesn't have the chin to keep it up probably the fastest boxer currently between 47-60 range and after 2/3 rds he had him timed and was out boxing him.
    GGG everyone has opinions i personally thought it was a draw Alvarez won early and late rnds but GGG controlled the middle and won more rds consecutively. At the end of the day Alvarez was supossed to get stopped, and ended up outlanding GGG in every department outside of jabs.
    Now lets look into these fights
    Trout WBA Titlist #1/2 JMW
    Lara #1 JMW also a titlist but no title was on the line
    (Mayweather was WBA Champ during this time vs AT & EL so there claim as champ is up to you)
    Cotto WBC/Lineal MW Champ* fought at 155
    Khan top 10 WW
    GGG #1 MW, top 5 P4P, Unified MW Champ
    Another interesting note all of these fighters were held to career lows or some of there worst showings vs Alvarez

    Saunders has beaten who Eubank and Lemuiex both of whom have done what?

    The point being this speed and footwork you say Saunders has, Alvarez has seen before and delt with adequately its time to put some respect on the kids name Canelo isn't a fluke.

    Saunders speed and footwork may add intrigue in the early rds but he hasn't seen the speed, defense, or counter punching ability Canelo brings to the table. Saunders surely isn't faster than Khan or Trout or Lara, doesn't hit harder than GGG is about the same height as Khan and Golovkin isn't a better boxer than any of thoses guys so how does Billy win not by KO, not by out boxing so break it down for me tell me these attributes he has and who he's shown them against that tells me BSJ wins.

    Again i ask though if Alvarez manages to convincingly win GGG II for the WBA/WBC/IBF titles then beats Saunders and adds the WBO to become undisputed would that warrent consideration as P4P #1?
     
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  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    It would look like Trout vs Cotto only far more lop sided. Its baffling how anybody thinks Canelo would have a prayer since his style his completely wrong for a guy like Saunders.

    On top of having the advantage in foot speed and movement , Billy has a the physical advantage in height and reach.

    Mayweather on 37 year old legs lured Canelo into shadows all night and Bill would do the same.

    Canelo would successfully dodge n slip the jab but by the time he shoots the Counter Bill will have left the area. After 6 rounds of single thudding shots to his face , Canelo is sucking on air and requires respite . Billy doesn't oblige and puts it on him , probably while he's against the ropes and i can envision Canleo shipping to many unanswered shots and in the process leaving the ref with no other recourse than to call halt to the contest.
     
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  4. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    A true fan uses common sense and logic. A fanboy uses emotion.
     
  5. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    A young pre-prime Canelo beat Trout o_O
     
  6. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Most people picking Saunders are either emotional fanboys or haters. Common sense and logic doesn't work with them. Just yesterday a few members were claiming Saunders is the 2nd best MW, some were even saying the best MW, based on beating DL. lol
     
  7. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Good post
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Canelo is pretty slick, definitely the slickest ginger boxer I've ever seen, but ginger slick isn't even in the same ballpark as gypsy slickness and Canelo will find that out very quickly if he ever decides to step in there with BJS 2.0.
     
  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Canelo is multi-dimensional

    Slick is just one of his several attributes. Canelo is a counter puncher first, he can be slick, and he can brawl.
     
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  10. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Pray really hard that this happens, for your sake.
     
  11. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Maybe Saunders should start proving it by fighting the best instead of avoiding them. Seems youre more confident than he is.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What's gonna happen when Canelo starts feinting Billy Joe and Billy Joe starts flinching all over the place like Floyd was? I could see Canelo feinting BJS into oblivion and BJS losing his balance and stuff.

    BJS has speed, but his footwork and decision making is not on the level of Canelo Alvarez. BJS simply doesn't have the experience of being in there with a skilled technician like Canelo Alvarez. He'll be like a fish out of water in there with Canelo. The rounds will be close, but they'll be a lack of fluidity and he won't be able to gauge range vs Canelo like he did vs Lemmy.
     
  13. MrTombourineMan

    MrTombourineMan Торрейра хорошо. Full Member

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    Saunders 2.0 has everything necessary to beat Canelo; the handspeed, the footspeed and the amateur pedigree to draw out a predictable counter-punch. It'll be a 9-3/10-2 kind of job muddied into a split decision by Golden Boy's hefty brown envelopes.

    His 12-0 demolition of Lemmy is better than anything Canelo has achieved at 160 thus far and as such he is my #2 MW. Give him a 20x20ft ring and I'd be tempted to put the mortgage on him against GGG.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It will come down to a battle between Gypsy Slickness and Ginger Slickness and Ginger ain't gonna prevail. BJS 2.0 will force it to come down to that just by virtue of how slick he is.
     
  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Again, I will believe it until I see it.

    As for now I have seen BJSaunders beat a very limited one dimensional fighter in Lemeiux, a regional level fighter in Eubanks, and I have never seen but know he beat an old B level fighter in Lee, the same Lee JCC Jr beat up.

    I've seen Canelo beat track runner Lara, Slick and volume puncher Trout, top notch boxer Cotto.

    Canelo > Saunders

    Hopefully Saunders grew balls and steps up in level of opposition.