Canelo Alvarez vs Chavez Jr fight in jeopardy

As a fan, I hope they dump this junk fight.
I'd prefer to see Canelo step up and face Andrade or Jermall Charlo.

 

It's a shame, I want to see this fight, I will find it amusing whatever the outcome.

 

This is straight out of the Mayweather School of Boxing. Find a guy who isn't a significant risk and drag him down to a catchweight that he will kill himself to make. Make 5x more than the opponent does and impress nobody but fanboys and know-nothings.

I want to blame ODLH fully, but Ginger knows all too well what's happening.

Unfortunately, Oscar isn't as smart (as far as his marketing) as Floyd and Canelo isn't as talented.

This is a farce of a fight and I shake my head at anyone that would buy it, Mexicans included. They claim he isn't ready to fight at the full 160 to defend his MW title but can jump up to 165 for JCC Jr.? If that's not a money grab, I don't know what is.

If I didn't want to see Canelo get KO'd so badly, I'd wish GGG just fought BJS after Jacobs, became undisputed, and move up. If he wants the MW defense record though, fine. One more fight at MW for 20 and then move up. Smack around CEJ just for fun.

I'm sick of Canelo and ODLH and Golden Boy.

 

You are correct. But there's always some credit to the other argument. And that would be that we knew how bad his knees were said to be after the Chavez fight. He didn't do any public training and worked out in the VIP suite of a hotel, literally did his whole camp hid away in a hotel room, and there were even articles on the scene before the Murray fight stressing this and that the knee/s were the reason why. Then the Murray fight happened. It was a razor close fight, could've been scored either way, I have no issue with Sergio winning by a point. Sergio clearly wasn't quite the same. Then he tore his **** again in that fight and looked visibly wobbled. He had major surgery.

We all knew all of the above. We knew it. Or we didn't and that's on us. It was available information.

Yet 80% of folks, including myself, picked Sergio to defeat Cotto. Tons literally used some variation of the line "even with no knees!" Tons thought that it wouldn't be competitive in favor of Sergio. Yet, they knew everything about how bad his knee/s was/were, had seen the visible decline... still picked wrong. Especially if you're one of those people, you have to know when to severely limit the stress of the argument you've made.

 

One would think him demolishing Geale then hanging tough with Alvarez afterwards would say that the injury wasn't the reason Cotto beatdown Martinez like that but to each his own, honestly as a guy who was big on Martinez at any point in time Cotto would have still been the most skilled guy Sergio would have fought.

 

My point is two guys in the same division fighting 5lbs or less apart on fight night in most cases isn't an advantage, people make it seem like he's beaten guys because of weight weighing in at 170/80 while fighting guys who are 20lbs less which is false. outside of Mayweather and Khan that isn't an advantage at all.
and really outside of Khan, Mayweather and Cotto really shouldn't count isn't one a 3 time JMW Champ while the other was a JMW and a MW Champ

 

Chavez won't make 165 without looking like a corpse. Canelo is doing to Jr what Mayweather did to him.

 

This is Apples to Oranges compared to Mayweather Canelo. I agree that I don't want to see Chavez try to make a 165 catchweight, but at this point we don't know for a fact that Canelo or Oscar is trying to drain Chavez. At this point a 165 catchweight is just rumors. As much as I dislike catchweights in general and am not crazy about the fight, a catchweight here would be much more appropriate when compared to Mayweather Canelo. What makes a catchweight here not appealing is the fact that Chavez has had trouble making weight in the past. We don't know what kind of shape Chavez is in now, for all we know he's lost weight over the last 6 month and can actually make 165 safely. (we don't know)

But compared to Mayweather Canelo, Mayweather needing to bring Canelo down to 152 was much more cowardly than Canelo needing Chavez to be 165 (if in fact that is true, which in fairness we don't know as it's all rumors). For one, Canelo has never fought someone above 154 / 155 in his life. He's fighting a guy that is much much bigger than him in two weight divisions above his current weight / highest weight he's fought at.

Mayweather on the other hand was a 154-lb champion who the previous year fought Cotto at 154, and made a point in the Cotto buildup about how he doesn't do catchweights so Cotto could be at his best weight. (not drained) Floyd wasn't jumping up two weight classes to fight Canelo like Canelo would be if he fought Chavez. It was a weight class Floyd had fought at before very recently and won a title in.

Also, since Chavez isn’t a title holder at Super Middleweight, in my view a catchweight makes more sense in a non-title fight than it does for a title fight. I don’t like when fighters defend their titles at catchweights. Frankly, that was a lot of the reason why Canelo was criticized for defending his MW title at 155 vs Khan, which partly forced him to vacate due to that criticism. (defending a world title at a catchweight) No one had any problem with Canelo when he fought those non-title fights at 155.

Floyd needing a 152 catchweight vs Canelo was much more cowardly for these reasons than a 165 catchweight for Canelo vs Chavez. For a non-title a fight, IF Chavez can make 165 safely (and that’s a big IF), it makes more sense than having a unification fight at a catchweight which is why Floyd Canelo was. The problem is we know Chavez has had trouble making weight in the past, so unless he’s on some new diet where he can make that weight, a lot of us are afraid he’d be drained. That’s more to do with Chavez’s diet and health, and his ability to lose a few pounds safely.

 

But... but... but... what about the WBC's special belt for this?!
Who's going to win that now?

 

Yeah it's a total pointless fight

 

**** Canelo. He is a so protected Ginger punk. Cherrypicker bigtime.