Canelo Alvarez vs. Sumbu Kalambay at 160

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Kalambay vs. Alvarez

  1. Kalambay by decision

    54.5%
  2. Kalambay by stoppage

    4.5%
  3. Draw

    9.1%
  4. Canelo by decision

    18.2%
  5. Canelo by stoppage

    13.6%
  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Try watching Kalambay in his prime. And Collins would do well vs Canelo. He was better than Jacobs.
     
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  2. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, you just take the guy GGG fought
     
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  3. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In a nutshell.
     
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  4. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We disagree then. Jacobs is faster, heavier handed and more responsible defensively. He's a better boxer than Collins. Collins may have been rougher and tougher, I'll give him that.
     
  5. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You make a good point that getting a decision over Golovkin is a better win than any Kalambay ever had.
     
  6. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kalambay was a good fighter,, but not really that good
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Wide decision over prime McCallum > controversial decision over old GGG.
     
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  8. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was definitely good enough to completely outbox a guy like Mike McCallum and give him his first loss.
     
  9. Tin_Ribs

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    Kalambay was in his late 30s against Collins and very much past it. He'd looked poor in his previous fights and was largely viewed as damaged goods when the fight came off, but managed to go to the well one last time and give a very sharp effort. I had that fight 8-4 to Kalambay. A really good performance all things considered against a really good fighter. Steve had become a bit underrated these days by hardcore fans imo, he was deceptively skilled in a slightly awkward way on top of being extremely strong and tough and adept at mauling and rough housing opponents. Mixed in with solid stand up box punching. He was able to drive McCallum back in the late rounds and tire him out after unwisely electing to box with him in the first half of the fight when rather green and inexperienced. Anybody who can have an either way type fight with Reggie Johnson deserves to be taken very seriously. Anyway, Kalambay promptly looked shot Vs the extremely mediocre Pyatt in his next fight. Collins being able to physically make him uncomfortable is hardly anything to be ashamed of at that age and with that level of decline.

    With regards to the actual fight in the thread title, I think Kalambay was far too good at what he did to be beaten at it by anyone other than the absolute best. Very much the type of fighter you need a style advantage over far more often than not, which Alvarez doesn't (the other way round really). Too slow of foot and not great at cutting off the ring while punching in tandem with forward movement against fighters who didn't have the diagonal/lateral movement, light-footed sliding/shuffling half steps, pivoting ability, L-stepping etc of Kalambay. Not to mention his jab and ability to counter or lead on the move and slip punches etc. The latter is Alvarez's best attribute arguably and he's outmatched here at it as well as being slower and generally not as talented all round. He has a bit of a punchers chance imo but not that much. Kalambay was pretty durable outside of the freakish loss to Nunn and Alvarez isn't a massive puncher, though neither was Nunn tbf.

    I'd guess that it ends up looking like the first McCallum fight a bit, though Mike was a better fighter than Alvarez imo.
     
  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

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    What do you think of Alvarez overall, Tin? I've been watching some of his other bouts aside from the big ones, and I hate to admit it, but I really enjoy his style (I am certainly biased towards the aesthetic slipping and aggressive countering), despite him being a cheating diva *******. I don't think his skills quite compare with ATGs of similar styles, but he does impress me regardless. Anyway, with all this fluff, I guess my main question is, what would Canelo have to improve in order to be on that level, skill / style wise?
     
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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    3-0-1 against GGG, Jacobs, and Lara is enough for me to think Alvarez would decision Kalambay.
     
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  12. Loudon

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    Pick a guy after analysing their skills and looking at how their styles would have meshed.

    Don’t do it based upon how many losses they have on their record.

    Their losses aren’t relevant here.
     
  13. Loudon

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    Getting a decision over a faded GG wasn’t better than getting a win over McCallum.
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kalambay was an excellent fighter in his prime.
     
  15. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post.
     
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