Canelo Alvarez vs. Sumbu Kalambay at 160

That is really great to hear! Makes me respect you even more. Great post and insight as always Tin.

 

To be fair he said Kalule.
Was Kalule better than Lindell Holmes ?
I think he might have been.
How did their fight go ?

 

I absolutely despise Canelo, but he has proven time and again that he has a versatile style and can adapt to virtually any style of opponent.

I see Kalambay winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, boxing well off the back foot, landing the more eye catching punches, while Canelo starts slowly, following his opponent around the ring, economically trying to land predominantly body shots in attempt to wear Sumbu down, a long with the odd counter right & hook up stairs, but Kalambay happy to . As Sumbu starts to slow down in the middle rounds Canelo would start to speed up piling on more pressure, as Kalambay has to get on his bike.

Kalambay doesn’t have other worldly stamina & I can definitely see Canelo just walking him down for the first half of a round, not exerting much energy then stealing rounds down the stretch. Canelo has the chin the chin to do it. To take at least 4 of the last 6 rounds.

I’ll take a draw or 115-113 split decision either way. Intriguing match up.

Just a few notes to add in. I scored Lara-Canelo twice, first time for Lara, second time a draw. Canelo is a much better fighter at middleweight than he was at junior middleweight. I think Canelo is juiced to the ****ing max, which probably role in why I think he has such a good chance here.

 

Canelo is a slow plodder.This idea of him walking down Sumbu seem far fetched.It is not his style, he is a counter puncher.I recommend you watch Sumbu-Barkley

 

You know thats a good question. I think Holmes was better.

 

Thanks lad, not a big deal really. But it's nice to have your good opinion as you have mine.

 

canelo by vicious Knockout of the Year type KO

 

Based on…..?

 

The Kalambay who outclassed McCallum in their first fight wins by UD, too slick too fast on his feet. I don't see how Alvarez is any better than McCallum at chasing at an opponent, and if a skilled operator who was also a great body puncher like McCallum, couldn't get to Kalambay then Alvarez wouldn't.

 

No it isn't Kalambay totally outclassed McCallum in their first fight, giving him a boxing masterclass. Canelo got a gift vs GGG in their first meeting, with majority of the fans thinking he lost the fight.

Forgetting the record books for a minute, how about the actual context of the fights. Kalambay's win over McCallum in their first meeting is much more impressive than Canelo's effort vs GGG.

Yeah the record books say Canelo got a W and a draw vs GGG, but that doesn't tell the whole story. He got a gift in the first fight, and if he wasn't the "Golden Boy" he would of lost the first meeting.

And the 2nd fight was a razor thin decision which i scored a draw, and i think majority of the fans. Are split down the line who won the rematch between GGG/Canelo.

Infact the rematch between GGG/Canelo is just as close as Kalambay/McCallum 2, and if Kalambay was the popular "Golden Boy" who gets the benefit of the doubt in every close fight, then Kalambay would probably of got the nod vs McCallum in the rematch.

In my view Canelo is 0-1-1 vs Golovkin, and Kalambay is 1-0-1 vs McCallum. So i don't think they are comparable, Kalambay has a dominant win over McCallum and a razor thin close loss, which easily could of been a draw or a narrow win for Kalambay. Alvarez has a bogus draw vs Golovkin which he should of lost, and a debatable win over Golovkin which many are split down the line.

And if you switch roles as i said and make Kalambay the popular fighter, then he's 2-0 vs McCallum and Alvarez would be possibly 0-2 or 0-1-1 vs Golovkin. Not forgetting Lara another fight which i think Canelo lost.

Kalambay's win over McCallum ----> Canelo's "win" over Golovkin.

 

Is this 160 with the same day weigh-in? Canelo today probably couldn’t make that. So we're looking at a very young version. Kalambay wins imo.

 

Yeah, except strength and chin I think Jacobs was better at MW.

 

I couldn’t care less about your inability to score fights nor do I care if you think Kalambay put on a “masterclass” by winning a SD by one swing round to Mike before losing to him in the second fight.

Kalambay lacked the consistency to put himself above McCallum or Canelo in the history books and shouldn’t be favored over Canelo for that reason.

 

What do you mean my inability to score fights ? Kalambay won at worst 8-4 vs McCallum in their first meeting i scored it 9-3. He completely nullified McCallum and put on one of the best boxing exhibitions over an ATG. It was a dominant clear win for Kalambay and i think that's pretty much agreed upon amongst boxing fans.

Canelo got a gift vs draw vs Golovkin, and didn't deserve a draw and only got a draw. Because he's popular fighter that unfairly gets benefit of the doubt in decisions.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/ggg-vs-canelo-1-who-has-really-won.646265/

Just look at the topic above 152 people voted GGG won the 1st meeting, 5 thought Canelo won and 12 had it a draw.

https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/gennady-golovkin-vs-saul-alvarez-ii

67 percent disagreed with Golovkin vs Canelo 2.

So i don't think there's much wrong with my "Scoring"

A dominant win is better than a debatable win.

 

Honestly, you write the most absolute garbage.

Why wasn’t Kalambay consistent?

He shouldn’t be favoured over Canelo for that reason?

I despair.

Have you any idea how much of your time you waste?

Every fantasy fight you debate on, is based on statistics, instead of how you think they’d have matched up stylistically.

All this time you’ve been here, yet you’ve learnt nothing.

You never offer breakdowns, look at styles or apply context.


Canelo is a great fighter. He’s the current P4P king. But he’s not invincible. Let’s get it right.

He was schooled against Floyd.

He barely beat Austin Trout and Erislandy Lara.

He got a gift against GG.

So how on earth would he have fared fighting in Mike and Sumbu’s era, with fights against the likes of: Mike, Sumbu, Graham, Nunn, Toney and Collins etc?


Sumbu Kalambay could 100% have outboxed a young Canelo at MW.


Why don’t you lay off of Boxrec and go and watch some fights.

Kalambay was consistent.

He was also a great technician.

If you think that Canelo would have beaten him, at least tell us how you think it would have happened.