Canelo and ducking allegations?? Nah...

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  1. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just to be clear, from what Ive seen online:

    https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_...lo-alvarez-premier-boxing-champions-part-ways

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    Canelo and PBC agreed to Jermell, Jermall fights then a "mutually-agreed" opponent.

    Canelo had an agreed upon rate of $35M (with PPV backside) for each fight.

    PBC - for unknown reasons - informed Canelo he could only get $35M to fight Jermall if he also agreed to fight Benavidez in 3rd fight. ***This is significant because its not what the contract stated*** and was instead Al Haymon trying to flex/persuade Canelo. What was actually happening was that Al was violating their contractual terms.

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    I hope Benavidez fight happens in September but I absolutely understand why its not happening in May. And Al mightve screwed it up for September ********the exact same way that Floyd used cry and complain about Arum doing business******** and now Floyd and Al are doing that exact thing.

    Eddie Hearn open to working w PBC (though Floyd accused TR/Arum of only doing in-house...hilarious hypocrisy)...

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  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    PBC ruined it by allowing Canelo to fight Jermell Charlo. They thought they could go with the angle of "Undisputed vs Undisputed" to sell PPV's, and that the boxing public would go crazy over it.

    Absolutely not, it was a terrible fight for boxing and the hardcores knew it which was why it didn't meet expectations and why PBC ended up losing money on the deal. This all falls on PBC.
     
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  3. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    This post will get no love because it proves that the narrative the haters are running with is false..
     
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  4. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You know, the more the info has come out about the whole Canelo vs Benavidez situation as of late, that's the more I think a lot of us have been wrong about the ducking claims. Fans only think about the fights and never the business side of things, but thats exactly how Canelo sees things and why he's operating the way he is.

    Canelo doesn't want to fight him because the money for doing so has simply never been enough every time it was offered compared to what Canelo is already getting offered fighting the easy guys. Then the contract issue is another thing where they essentially tried to get a two-for-one deal it seems by having him fight Benavidez and Charlo for $35 million when it should've just been Charlo.

    All of that is to say the Benavidez fight can still happen at some point when the money is right. Benavidez seems to be more interested in legacy to my knowledge as far as why he wants the fight. For Canelo though its a pure business move since he's already made his legacy. That puts the ball in his court and Benavidez has no choice but to play according to Canelo's rules.

    When it was announced that Canelo would be going up against Munguia, the look on Jose Sr's face was great lol. He was ticked that Munguia gets a payday whereas David wont. I mean its understandable given they have been looking for this fight for a long time now, but then he knows the problem is Benavidez simply doesn't offer anything to Canelo as it stands. Munguia by comparison is not much risk for not too much less money.

    The bottom line is fighting Benavidez wont add to the legacy and the money being offered to fight him isn't worth the risk, not when Canelo can steamroll weaker guys for nearly as much money.
     
  5. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I heard that Haymon also wanted Canelo to make a dancing in his underwear video like Tank did for him and how Wilder did that twerking video for Al but Canelo was like "GTF outta here man!"
     
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  6. IsaL

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    Undisputed vs Undisputed didn't do horrible numbers. I think it sold 650K.

    The issue was that everyone knew Canelo-Jermall would do considerably less buys because of how Jermell performed against Canelo, and how Jermall looked against Jose Benavidez Jr. The investors did not want to fork up the money.

    PBC ruined it by giving Canelo an easy three fight deal at 35 mil a pop, and nor including Benavidez in that contract.
     
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  7. drenlou

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    For a canelos 35 million Guarantee he needed to sell at least 1million buys for PBC not to lose money on the deal, 650k aren't bad numbers but for that price they didn't meet the expectations.
     
  8. IsaL

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    I'm not sure about the numbers or how much the fight sold, but yeah, clearly investors don't want to front the money for Jermall, as everyone thinks it will be another boring fight.

    PBC royally ****ed up.
     
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  9. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the original plan was for Spence to wallop Canelo and then Spence to fight Canelo at like ~164. Spence was a HUGE WW.

    Also, nobody expected Jermall to fall of face of the Earth the way he did. He was another guy who was supposed to be a legitimate opponent.

    PBC is in real trouble. They became so accustomed to horrible cards and their fans bailing them out...well that only existed on CBS/Showtime money. Now that the well has dried and REAL FIGHTS need to happen...PBC acting like amateurs...violating their own contracts and letting guys who beat their prized undefeated fighters walk in Canelo and Bud.
     
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  10. bjl12

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    Jermell has never sold PPV before. Canelo brought 650k-700k buys fighting someone 2 weight classes beneath himself (and Canelo has competed twice at 175..making it like 2.5 weight classes tbh). So Jermell brought 0 buys and PBC had an awful undercard...again.

    So how does PBC try to fix the situation? Force the guy who brought in 650-700k PPV buys to take a paycut and/or hand-pick his opponents (when contract read "mutually agreed upon").

    Don't think Canelo cares who he fights. I DO THINK Canelo does NOT like being dictated to...want proof?

    Canelo left GBP/DAZN when they tried forcing him to take certain fights and now Canelo left PBC when they tried to force a paycut AND take certain fights.
     
  11. drenlou

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    Mainly The casuals bought that fight because they were suckers for the "Undisputed vs Undisputed" Tagline. Canelo sold less PPVS against Bivol And GGG in the 3rd fight.
     
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  12. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    35 million+ ppv upside should be enough to make any fight for god sake thats just being greedy at that point
     
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  13. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In fairness Canelo didnt have a superfight opponent avaliable. Had Canelo beaten Bivol the Beterbiev fight wouldvtle been a superfight.

    After that...? Who? He beat everyone except Benavidez. Jermall would be an underdog versus Benavidez, Canelo, and Morrell. I also favor Plant and Munguia over Jermall. I would favor BJS over Jermall also. Could probably think of 10 SMW to beat Jermall without being biased...and that's no diss. Dude just doesnt fight anymore. Legitimately semi-retired

    So PBC paid Canelo big but they had nobody for him to fight but Benavidez who - when Canelo signed w PBC - had no real wins. David has since beaten Plant and Andrade which (for me) earns a fight, but Uncle Al playing games w contract and money and rights...not a good look.

    PBC shouldve been putting their top fighters versus each other LONG AGO...which would've built up more opponents for Canelo. Instead Espinoza and Al and Floyd are looking more and more like the B level promo company that...they apparently are??
     
  14. sdot_thadon

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    I knew Al screwed it up soon as the reports of wanting a discount on a pre agreed upon fight came out lol. So take less than your contracted guarantee to fight the guy we already planned on to cover for the purse increase for the Benavidez fight? He tried to Okey doke Canelo no wonder **** fell through.
     
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  15. bjl12

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    Its about more than that. PBC was violating their own contractual terms. Only willing to pay Canelo - what they signed they would - if he fought their opponents. But, again, that wasnt in the contract that Al Haymon and Canelo signed. I can see how that would leave a bad taste.

    Really struggle to see how Canelo (or any boxer) fears another man. I guess a case can be made that someone doesnt want to lose but Canelo got losses and draws. Dont think he GAF