Canelo and ducking allegations?? Nah...

Without context that seems like a clear duck but Canelo the month before this offer made $40 mill fighting Ryder. Tougher fight against a "supposedly" more marketable opponent and you only pay $5 mill more, nah hard pass.

Problem is people have made out Benavidez as some big threat but lets be honest outside hardcore fans nobody knows who Benavidez is. His PPV vs Andrade did 60K buys. He isn't a draw that adds much value so when making a fight between them both Canelo won't make much more than he fights fighting anyone else. This is PBC's failure, they tried to build up Benavidez up as a guy Canelo is ducking to create interest in a fight but it's only worked on hardcore fans, they've marketed this as a huge fight, so Canelo or course expects a huge payday but reality is, it's all BS because this fight will be lucky to do 1 mill buys if it ever happens.

 

If they could get away with Canelo fighting the mother of one of the posters on this board, they would. They only care about money.

 

Did he really have 3 years to do so? PBC notoriously rarely work with other promotional outfits and protects their most highly rated fighters by ensuring they only fight opponents they have also signed. So with Canelo not signed to PBC were PBC really even interested in making Benavidez/Canelo?

Fact is after Benavidez beat Lemieux they didn't even try to make the Canelo fight then, Benavidez was offered Morell, Plant or Charlo by PBC as options and Benavidez said Plant and so they made the Plant fight.

First offer from PBC for an actual fight between Canelo and Benavidez was in June 2023, $45-50 mill was offered when Canelo made $40 mill for Ryder. Hearn also said it wasn't even as much as Canelo made for beating the shadow of GGG in their 3rd fight.

Then of course PBC signed Canelo. Then there were reports recently PBC offered Canelo $55 million to fight Benavidez but Canelo's manager says no offer was made and the Crawford fight wasn't offered as an option either.

https://talksport.com/sport/1761293/canelo-next-fight-david-benavidez-boxing-news/

 

That is guaranteed. You forgot the back end PPV cut Canelo gets. Benavidez fight does over 1m ppv's

You are way out of touch. Plant, Benavidez ppv did 170 ppv which is more than GGG ever did before Canelo. We have no credible numbers for the Andrade fight, Rick glaser talks rubbish plus that fight was on thanks giving. David has alot of momentum now with some big fights and being associated with Canelo and the man he is ducking. You don't think Canelo fans are aware of the man their hero is accused of ducking for years now? His name is always brought up for years, Tyson talks about him, he is more popular than you think. You said it would be lucky to do over 1m ppv? That is HUGE ppv. It would be Canelos biggest PPV since the GGG rematch 7 years ago.

 

They tried to make the fight in late 2021. Canelo was offered a 100m to fight Benavidez and Jermall. He choose the smaller offer of Bivol and old GGG. David fought Lemiuex after Canelo rejected the offer. Canelo has now rejected 3 huge offers to fight Benavidez.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/02/canelo-alvarez-rejects-100m-offer-to-face-charlo-benavidez-in-2-fight-deal/#:~:text=What's surprising is the Matchroom,40-year-old Golovkin.

 

Lol, 170K on PPV is still poor, fact is Benavidez isn't a draw. He isn't a star, he isn't this big threat that PBC and his fans make him out to be. If Canelo/Benavidez happens it won't be some huge PPV event, it will be lucky to do 1 mill buys and most of that will be from Canelo existing fanbase.

This narrative to hype Benavidez into something he is not is nothing new from PBC, they did the same with Wilder. Lots of talk of a fight with Joshua that never happened using the cash cows name to build their own fighters profile. To be fair it worked for Wilder and it will probably work for Benavidez too, but I don't believe PBC really want the fight, they love to marinate a fight, at least not now, they'll try an age out Canelo if they even ever try to make the fight.

 

Cool another delusional PBC hater. The biggest PPV GGG ever did before Canelo was 130k. Was he some huge star? He didn't even speak english. You don't seem to understand that a 1m ppv is a mega fight and almost twice as much as spence and crawford did. It would probably break the garcia tank numbers. Biggest fight in the sport but keep pushing that 'benavidez' is a nobody narrative.

 

I guess you could call me a PBC hater, but then PBC have done a lot to **** off fans. Personally I loved when they first came onto the scene, new outfit with fresh ideas trying to bring back boxing to a wider audience. But that original plan quickly turned into a promotional outfit that protected fighters, delayed major fights from happening, had champions that barely fight at all. Are you happy that Crawford/Spence happened years after it mattered, that Joshua/Wilder never happened, that we didn't get Joshua/Fury already because PBC forced a pointless 3rd Fury/Wilder fight, that we've had Charlo clearly duck Tszyu, that the middleweight champion has defended his belts once in 2.5 years. You might be happy to accept all that BS and swallow the PBC narrative but for most fans who don't care about the beef between promotional outfits it's not acceptable and PBC should be hated for what they've done to boxing.

You mention Crawford/Spence, that again was never really a mega fight, at least outside of the hardcore fans, as neither were proven big PPV draws like Canelo. Canelo does those kind of numbers against anybody. Is Canelo/Benavidez a mega fight? I'd say it's the biggest fight Canelo has at 168 but it's borderline. If casuals fall for the hype it maybe does 1 mill buys and yes that's a mega fight, but it's going to going to come down to if the casuals buy into the Benavidez hype and I'm not sure yet that they have. Which is probably why PBC never made an offer for a fight with Canelo until last year and why it wasn't even a serious offer. I think PBC want to marinate the fight for longer, which is why it wasn't a part of the contract with Canelo, they want to string this out for years just like they did with Spence and Crawford to build the fight, because right now they don't think it really draws much more than a typical Canelo fight which is why they only offered $45-50 mill for the Benavidez fight in 2023 when Canelo was making close to that already for beating Ryder.

True Golovkin wasn't a huge draw either, but he did do over 700K PPV buys in the UK vs Brook. He was also the number 1 fighter at 160lbs unlike Benavidez who is the challenger not the champion. That was a fight that was hyped about for years, with Canelo clearly ducking GGG and trying to age GGG out which made the fight more interesting when it happened. So that's why that fight did so well at a time when PPV was still a format that sold well and that again is why PBC are not serious about making a fight between Canelo and Benavidez, they see that having the fight now leaves money on the table as they think it will be a bigger fight later on down the line and they of course like usual want to ensure there fighters chances by aging out an older fighter.

 

Al Haymon thought Charlo would be an opponent which could generate the $35 mill to cover Canelo purse.

Only someone with zero brains would believe that was possible.

 

You have far too much belief in Al Haymon and PBC. History tells us they are more than capable of coming up with those 3 opponents.

Just look at the careers of most PBC fighters and ask yourself who came up with the opponents. PBC are not good matchmakers.

 

I have far too much belief in basic logic and rational. Even the most horrific match maker ever would know Benavidez Canelo prints money and was by FAR the best option.

 

Simple question: when is Canelo going to attempt to avenge his lopsided loss to Bivol?