Canelo beats Grebb, Hagler and Trinidad at MW

tbf tito didn't have a weak chin at all.
he often went down early in fights, but to the best of my knowledge he KO'd every fighter who did knock him down early.

 

Canelo was still a teen learning his craft when he got rocked by Cotto's brother and some people still bring that up and think they have a point. LOL

It is well known that Tito had a pure galvanized-steel chin, and lesser fighters than Canelo exploited that. No doubt Canelo stops Trinidad, Kahn style.

 

Do you see why you're 2 sentences contradict each other?

 

it took tito a few rounds to get his legs beneath him, which is why he went down early so often.
he was never hurt and was perfectly lucid every time it happened.

that's very different to being chinny.

 

But the point is that you had fighters at 147 and 154, again, lesser fighters than Canelo doing that to him. Canelo is a pretty good finisher.

 

fair point.
i certainly wasn't suggesting tito at 160 v. canelo would end well for him.
tito had a great left hook but mexicans are notorious for having granite chins.

i posted earlier in this thread, why are we talking about tito at 160?
he just didn't have many fights there and was much more proven at lower weights.

 

Of course Canelo will be an ATG, even if he retired right now. I think that's fairly obvious.

 

Robinson was a master at everything and would have thrown and landed more shots on Canelo than B-hop would have, he also would have thrown and landed far more jabs on Canelo than Jones would.

 

GGG vs Hagler would be an amazing fight, both Gennady and Marvin destroy Canelo in their primes

 

Beats Hagler, draws with Robinson....but loses to Bhop and Roy? Lol that must be some good crack you're smoking.

This is such a flawed way of comparing modern and past fighters. Yes nutrition and training etc has come along as it has in all sports. But half of the modern day 'greats' would be ****ed if they actually had to weigh the appropriate weight for the titles they are fighting for, and were not coming in divisions heavier. Also, you don't have to be a genius to see how boxing has become much more about protecting 0s for most fighters. These days genuine superfights rarely happen when both fighters are in their prime, theres only a handful that actually seem to want to fight the best when they are actually at their best.

 

What you don’t understand, is that boxing doesn’t keep progressing, where the fighters keep better each decade.

Boxing is a stand alone sport.

It’s not 2 athletes racing from point A to point B.

It’s 2 men in a physical game of chess, trying to outsmart and outfight each other, using the same set of rules and techniques that have existed for many years.

Boxing has evolved from his roots, but for the last 70 odd years, it has just ebbed and flowed.

Sometimes divisions are strong, sometimes they are weak. And sometimes they are just average.

That’s how it is.

Canelo is a very special fighter. But if you’d have dropped him in with the MW’s of the early 90’s, he wouldn’t stand out in the same way that he does today.

If you’re looking at making a prediction on a fantasy fight between Canelo and Marvin Hagler, Marvin’s D.O.B. is of zero relevance. The only thing of relevance is how you think they’d have matched up stylistically.

 

There’s enough footage of guys who he did beat.

You are very ignorant.

If you read up on Greb and his style, and take into account that he beat guys like Gene Tunney, then you know that he was a huge force.

 

Okay.

Take this into account:

The current MW division isn’t anywhere near as strong as what it was 30 years ago.

The current WW division isn’t as strong as what it was 40 years ago.

The current HW division isn’t as strong as what it was 30 years ago.

The current JMW division isn’t as strong as what it was 20 years ago.

The current SMW division isn’t as strong as what it was 25 year ago.

So where’s the progression in those divisions?

It’s not there.

You can see for yourself by doing some comparisons.

However, today’s LHW and CW divisions are thriving and are stronger than what they’ve been for many years.

And that is your absolute proof that boxing doesn’t progress like other sports, and that it just ebbs and flows.

 

If it's the same day weigh-in, I'd take Hagler at 160. Maybe also Trinidad.

Canelo is probably around 180 in the ring, around what a prime Roy was, so it's kind of hard to compare him to Hagler, Tito and SRR. A '98 Hopkins at 168 would be a barn-burner, I think. A 2005 Hopkins at LHW would be a very interesting tactical affair.

 

It’s a:

“I’ve just broken up for the school holidays” thread.