Canelo beats Grebb, Hagler and Trinidad at MW

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  1. 22JM

    22JM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its clearly that Canelo is not the same fighter he has massively improved.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You have been ignorant and dismissive all throughout the thread.

    You couldn’t even spell his name right.

    Now I agree that fighters from the past can get romanticised. That does happen. Those guys weren’t superhuman. But then it’s just as ignorant to write them off completely, just due to the fact that it’s a bygone era what you don’t possess any knowledge of, as you’ve not wanted to do any research.

    I’ve read up on Greb over the last few years. His style was unique. I’ve read accounts from old reports, old managers, fighters and opponents.

    Go and read the opinion of Gene Tunney. Greb was the only guy to beat him.

    Saying that a jab and a bit of footwork would have been enough to curtail him is very ignorant. Do you really think it would have been that simple?

    I’ve read accounts of his fights in detailed reports, as well as his famous sparring sessions with Dempsey etc.

    He was a whirlwind with speed and an insane engine.

    He never stopped throwing shots and going forward.

    Does that sound like an easy style for Canelo to deal with?

    Canelo is the same size. He’s not a big guy with a great jab. And he struggles with speed and movement, and he can also tire. So if you read up on Greb, you’d know that it would have been a very tough stylistic match up for Canelo to have overcome.
     
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  3. drenlou

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    Bullocks, JOKER...
     
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  4. drenlou

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    He beats Greb and Tito, but loses to Hagler by decision.
     
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  5. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    so if his style was so effective why havent more modern fighter emulated it wi
    h success?
    and I never wrote Greb off. saying he would lose to Canelo, a transcendent fighter of many weight classes and titles is hardly writing anyone off.

    it is fans who bow at the alter of past greats without giving any credit to modern fighters who are ignorant and dismissive. I cant stand it when people blindly say some modern fighter would get creamed by some boxer from 70+ years ago, especially when there is no footage to back up the stories.

    if Greb had the ultimate unbeatable style, surely someone would have come along and copied it and had success with it by now.

    it is one thing to pay respect to past greats who dominated their eras, but it is ignorant and dismissive to blindly pick them over modern fighters.

    you can say the game hasnt evolved, but that's just not true. just look at the fighters today, they dont resemble any of fighters from 70 years ago. that's because in that time, new guys came in with new styles that beat out those old styles and replaced them.

    basketball is generally the same game it was 70 years ago with a few changes....do modern NBA players look anything like they did 70 years ago? and do honestly believe a team from back then would be competitive against a modern nba team?
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why hasn’t there been another Ali?

    Why hasn’t there been another Tyson?

    Could many fighters have copied his style?

    Did they have his speed, dimensions, fitness and fighting heart etc?

    He was a one off.

    There’s been swarmers and guys with great engines and shot output but not many of his ilk.

    I never said that he was unbeatable.

    Of course boxing has evolved. But for many decades now, it’s just ebbed and flowed.

    I agree that fans can be ignorant.

    Anyone who says blindly that an old fighter would beat a modern one is ignorant.

    It’s better to do some research, and then try and logically predict what you think could have happened based upon their styles.
     
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  7. Serge

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    Among many many others, Greb beat ATG LHW John Tunney and he bashed up ATG HW Jake Dempsey in sparring too. Granted Clenelo probably holds an edge in boxing ability over Tunney and power over Dempsey but I don't think Greb would've been an easy out for Clenelo. I think Greb would be pretty competitive for the first half of the fight but ultimately Clenelo would score a brutal HL reel KO sometime between round 7-9
     
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  8. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This has to be bait.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I actually see a fair bit of John Tunney in Ali, both of whom would present a stiff challenge to Clenelo albeit I got him winning those too.

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  10. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lets get it straight, Canelo is 180lbs in the ring and Hagler is 160lbs
     
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