Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Can't generalize. Gotta go through it round by round. I've exposed the idea that Round 1 was won by Bivol.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't. I'm not emotionally invested in outcomes or margins like some people.
     
  3. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You haven’t haha. Bivol outlanded him at least 2 to 1
     
  4. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I scored it just fine, and in line with the vast majority of pundits. You're the one having emotional issues....
     
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  5. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is pointless. You’re trying to salvage a close fight from an 11-1 schooling. God speed mate
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Punches thrown ≠ punches landed. Bivol was busier but most of his shots were blocked.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have a vast amount of butthurt as it pertains to Canelo and how his fights are scored. :deal:
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Clenelo was taken to school. Slapped up. Outclassed. He looked lost. Completely clueless. Boy vs man. Ambling forward like a lead-footed ginger penguin hitting arms and gloves all night like a novice club fighter. Dosser

    Never seen a P4P top 10 fighter look so completely bereft of ideas let alone a P4P king. He even admitted what I told you all beforehand.. you know, what they tried to lock me up in the insane asylum for.. that Bivol Dmitry was very hard to hit. Conversely, Bivol Dmitry boxed well within himself and trust me he has a lot more to give.

    Don't forget this was his first fight on a stage even close to that magnitude and he was fighting on very hostile territory in Clen's adopted home of Vegas on Cinco de Mayo on a deck which couldn't have been stacked anymore against him.

    Bivol Dmitry is still in Craig Richards and Salamov mode. The pre 19 months of inactivity Bivol was levels above that version and he would've punished Clen severely and I don't see Clen making it to the final bell to be honest giving how he was huffing and puffing against that version of Bivol Dmitry.
     
  9. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My word Shadow. your still trying to shape the narrative that it was close when it was not remotely.
    11-1 Bivol. I mean we can spin in circles forever. Ginger lost despite the best efforts of the judges clear corruption.
    As I said Shadow only 1 round can be reasonably given out of the first 4. I''ve said this several times go through the RBR. see what the consensus opinion is. You won't because you ignore the bleeding obvious.....and it doesn't suit your clear fantasy...
     
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  10. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Neither jab landed, the hook landed on the shoulder. The last arm punch had less on it than a range finder jab from Malignaggi. No way you actually think there is anything in there for Canelo.
     
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  11. Zhuge Liang

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    The first round definitely goes to Bivol. He has more punches thrown (including two multiple punch combinations), more activity, more clean hits (I don't think Canelo had any).

    From all rounds, the only one that goes to Canelo only Round 9. The fourth round is tight. Other than that, Bivol dominated the rest. Canelo truly had hard time to get inside as he got stopped by Bivol's jabs the whole time. Bivol really made good job with his jabs, making good use of his range.

    One thing that I think Bivol excels is he has sturdy defense. Canelo punches hard, but Bivol can take it and didn't budge. This is what differentiate the performance of GGG and him.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo won Round 1, if you want to make an argument that Bivol won that round, it's a tough sell. Bivol spent a lot of time retreating, got roughed up along the ropes and had most of his shots blocked. Canelo was the boss and was ring general that round. I know you like to generalize to argue that it wasn't close overall, but it has to be looked at RBR not just "generally".
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Punches thrown or activity doesn't win rounds.
    Wrong, Canelo landed plenty clean that round, both were blocking well but Bivol had less clean shots and had a lot more punches blocked. Bivol had his back on the ropes several times covering up. Not a good look for Bivol, a definite Canelo round.
    Canelo penetrated that sturdy defense in Round 1. Bivol "not budging" is immaterial to getting hit and hit well.
     
  14. exocet76

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    It reiminded me of AJ v Usyk in some respects of I thought they away fighter would win but that the judges would rob them.
    The difference is Bivol completely shut Ginger out and I only gave Canelo 1 round. AJ won a 2-3 rounds mid fight.
    Usyk and Bivol both executed excellent gameplans although I fear one or both may get robbed on the rematch. I think Usyk has the better chance of stopping AJ than Bivol stopping Ginger. They are both faster though and AJ and Canelo looked clueless and confused as hand speed i and skill s a diffucult attribute to nullify.
     
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  15. Zhuge Liang

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    Then you must have different defintion of 'clean hit'.

    Or simply you have problem for being objective and impartial.
     
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