Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're honestly absolutely deluded. I can't debate with a person like this
     
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  2. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again "possible", "arguably lands" does not mean I'm crediting them you ****ing idiot
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's right I sure am seeking validiation, which is the whole point of doing timestamps you muppet lol. You asked ME for validation initially too, so we have that in common. Now lets validate all this punk.
    There's nothing generous about you counting that jab as landed. You are not being generous to Canelo, you're being generous to Bivol. I mean, face it, you listed several punches you were unsure that Bivol landed, but because you weren't sure if they landed, you made sure to list them. But with Canelo you didn't even list the right hook for example if you weren't sure like you did with Bivol. So you're listing possible Bivol shots which didn't actually land while not even listing possible Canelo shots that did in fact land. Then using that faulty biased list to argue that Canelo has "zero" argument for winning the round, a round that he clearly won if you wouldn't have ignored Canelo's landed shots like you did while listing "possible" Bivol shots that you couldn't see due to camera angles which were actually blocked if you look at the overhead view.

    Have you watched it from the overhead angle?? We have the aid of an additional (useful) camera angle here, so we have an opportunity to score these rounds more accurately.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not saying you did lol, I'm trying to HELP you decide what did and didn't land by referring to the overhead view you muppet.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You just can't debate period.
     
  6. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, I listed out the reasons why Canelo has a poor case for any of these rounds I don't care if any of you guys agree with it. You on the other hand are desperately asking everyone to validate your own views, with your appeal to Rummy, 19 redditor, and all those other desperate pleas you embarassed yourself with.
    No in the slightest. My god, I have no idea why I'm continuing this quite frankly embarassing conversation
    No. There were a lot of punches from Bivol that were unclear whether they landed because of the high guard often punching through it but the camera angle made it difficult to see. Canelos punches were easier to see, which were mainly arm and gllove punches. And I didn't list the right hook.. Because one it was a right hand.. And two, it didn't land in the slightest and is clear as day
    No. Read my initial post the part in bold, below:
    And LMAO now you are claiming Canelo won this round clearly?!? What happened to it being close.. You're falling apart at the seams

    Yes I have
     
  7. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're a funny guy shadow
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK Good. Progress. Now, how about this, for Round 1, how about you make corrections to your timestamps, the ones that you weren't sure of before you had the benefit of the overhead camera? With the benefit of the overhead camera, all those "possible" shots that you listed originally you can now correct and be sure of.

    I tried to help you by going through the last minute, and adding some punches that I saw and you didn't, that doesn't mean you have to agree with me, it's only there to help you, for you to look at and make your own decision over. The reason why I only did the last minute was because I wanted to see how you would respond. What's the point of me going through the other 2 minutes if you're only going to ignore my "HELP' for the last minute.

    Whether or not you address my corrections or additions, you can still go through the overhead camera and make any adjustements to your list that you were unsure about before we had the overhead camera.
     
  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even though it seems like a lost cause with you @Quina74 even though it seems like you would rather fight with me than create the best list of timestamps possible, I'd be remiss if I didn't give it my all to try and create a "master" list of timestamps for these rounds. At least with rounds 1-3.

    If we focus on what we agree on, with the help of the overhead camera, then it shouldn't be hard to create a master list for the punches we agree on. Then the ones we disagree on we can get a second opinion on and if needed put together a secondary list of less important punches or partially blocked punches. The main punches, the clearly seen, no-doubt-about-it punches landed we should be able to agree on. If we start there, focus on what we agree on, then we'll have a solid foundation as we move into the harder to agree on ones.
     
  10. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not taking any more time out of my day to debate a dishonest Canelo fanboy. I've already explained my reasoning, your first timestamps and explanation was riddled with fanboyism and Canelo bias. You've done this before, there is literally zero point debating you. And now you claim round 1 was a clear Canelo round.. Which one is a load of bs, and two you've been heavily suggesting round 1 was close. Lol no thanks shadow, you stick to your own delusions. You're on your own here
     
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  11. shadow111

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    "riddled with fanboyism" :risas3:

    LOL so it's OK for you to claim it's a Clear Bivol round but how dare I claim that it's a clear Canelo round. When I say clear I mean I didn't have any problem scoring it. It was not a hard round to score. It was close but Canelo won it down the stretch in the last 30 seconds. It wasn't a dominant round for Canelo like you are arguing it was for Bivol. Both were not landing many clean shots, BUT what made it clear was what happened in the last 30 seconds, Canelo backed Bivol up to the ropes, landed several hard shots, and punctuated the round with a massive uppercut at the bell. Bivol landing nothing that could compare with those flashy eye catching shots by Canelo. Bivol's best shots that round was probably the right hand to the body and the good jab in the final minute. Canelo had more body shots, several good jabs himself, plus he finished the round strong unlike Bivol.

    That was a close but clear round for Canelo, effective aggression and ring generalship was Canelo that round, with how much time Bivol spent on the ropes covering up as much as he did. But I'm not like you who would claim that Bivol has zero argument, a round can be close and competitive but still have a clear winner.
     
  12. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You just don't know what you're talking about. Zero point debating or even having a general conversation with you. Beyond weird and deranged
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You know full well that Canelo was the Effective Aggressor and the Ring General in Round 1. He clearly landed the more eye catching shots and won it down the stretch. Bivol was in retreat and roughed up on the ropes, then rocked with an uppercut to end the round. I know you don't want to debate, you know you can't debate me bubble boy, I'm too real for you.

    https://c.tenor.com/eZ8wAshi7J4AAAAC/yes-thats-all.gif
     
  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again I've listed my reasons for not wanting to debate with this forum's most deluded maniacal Canelo fanboy. You can keep thinking you are right, I don't care, but you're living in your own bubble. Goodbye
     
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