Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

His power didn't bail him out this time, but he was doing very well in the early rounds which is being ignored by many.

 

Oh that’s my bad I missed that part. So you guys are arguing about RD 1 only.

 

I'm not the one arguing. I am showing that Q's timestamps were inaccurate and selective in Round 1. He ignored jabs that were landed by Canelo while crediting Bivol as landing jabs that were blocked.

But you were correct, Q and others are arguing that this was a 12-0 shutout or 11-1 at best for Canelo, while I am pointing out that the first 4 rounds were close and could have been scored for Canelo. We are now focused on Round 1 at present, yes.

 

Ok rd 1 was pretty clear Bivol for me watching it in real time. Maybe if it was slowed down like shadow has done I could see it going Canelos way, but I barely saw anything landed in real time.

 

Nah. That's no it at all.
In fact Shadow was saying that 7-5 was completely fair by the judges and that the fight was very close.
Shadow then reframed the argument that the judges were right on the first 4 rounds which were all won by Canelo. which again was complete nonsense and he was using the appeal to authotity fallacy.
So now after repeated push back from other posters as well as myself. It's now reframed as Canelo winning the first round and Shadow trying to weasel insignicatent taps as scoring punches. So it's in the position it's in because Shadow has to reframe and spin the narrative position once all options have been exhausted. If you'd kept up from the start you would understand this more clearly.

 

My bad, I jumped in from the middle. Was hard to follow what the purpose of this was besides attacking shadow.

 

Who would you say was the effective aggressor and the ring general in Round 1? Did you notice how often Bivol had his back against the ropes covering up. Who landed the bigger more eye catching shots? Who finished the round better? I saw this round as a very close and even round over the first 2:30, with Canelo winning the round in the final 30 seconds with the big shots he landed on Bivol who was backed up against the ropes. To punctuate the round, Canelo landed a big uppercut at the bell. Q said that uppercut had no impact by the way lol.

 

Canelo was the aggressor, but besides that uppercut I didn’t see many shots land. It seemed like Bivol landed a lot more clearly in real time.

 

That's pretty much their entire purpose, to exaggerate how wide it was for Bivol. They attack me because I don't subscribe to that nonsense, I recognize when rounds are close and hard to score.

 

That's not right though is is?
You can't help but tell porkies. I scored the fight 11-1 for Bivol and I clearly said that I thought 9-3 was also reasonable but I could not see how I could give Canelo any more rounds. So don't imply that I said it was a complete shut out as that's a lie. I said it was a schooling which is what it was. Don't try and frame everyone else as being unreasonable in this Shadow. this is exactly what I was saying about you doing things in bad faith.

 

The thing too is the shots shadow clipped I didn’t see landing in real time but slowed down it did land. Still not enough for me to win the round tho tbh @shadow111. It wasn’t a super dominant round by Bivol but it was a clear one imo.

 

Not quite, I said that the judges got it right and I had no problem with their score because I saw how well Canelo did in the first four rounds. I said you "could" give the first four rounds to Canelo not that you had to. This is precisely why I'm going through round 1 and plan on doing 2-4 as well so we can all recognize how close these rounds were in an effort to decide who was more deserving. You're framing this as if I am the one being unreasonable here which is humorous. I'm not the one who has claimed that it's a near shutout or that some of the first 4 rounds can only be scored one way.

I'm just pointing out the problems with Q's timestamps. You and ellerbe have confirmed that the jab landed, albeit "barely" a jab that Q explicitly stated did not land. Further ellerbe confirmed that Bivol's love tap was blocked at 0:46 a punch that Q counted. I would suggest you stop complaining and deal with the objective reality that each of these rounds were close and not the one sided or clear Bivol rounds that you and Q have suggested they were.

 

I think I need slowed down clips of the shots I thought Bivol landed maybe they were blocked.

 

Lets talk about the 4 scoring criteria. Would you agree that Canelo was the ring general that round and the effective aggressor? That's 2 of the 4 scoring criteria. Then clean effective punching, who landed the bigger heavier shots? Who finished the round stronger?

 

That's what needs to happen, because we've already demonstrated that it's easy to think shots landed in real time but then we slow them down or show them from the other angle and we see they were blocked or vice versa. So yes I am happy to go through the rest of these rounds and show these kind of slo mo clips to get your view on any that there are disagreements about.