Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    What about those that live in a fairytale?
    Asking for a mate (shadow).
     
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    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Not a problem. I understand you’ve got your hands full umpiring slow-mo videos.

    I got you fam.
     
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  3. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where's my boy @shadow111 at?
     
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    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
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  5. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He’s in the lab brewing up a 3 hour slow motion compilation of canelo’s round winning feints and arm punches
     
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  6. BCS8

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    I just rewatched round one again. Canelo may have landed only 2-3 actual scoring punches. There's no way Bivol lost that.
     
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  7. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shadows clip Confirms Bivols glove goes past Canelo's glove and connects with his head.

    Watch my two clips full screen slow motion, normal speed for the impact. Canelo is not pulling his head back. Bivols jab isnt a full on step into but it 100% lands and jolts his head back. There is some fair snap on it, but it isn't as snappy as some of Bivols others shots but it's certainly a scoring shot

    Shadow calls this a love tap, yet calls several punches from Canelo, that at best graze Bivol (if connect at all) , as landed.

    This guy is just crediting Canelo at every opportunity. Grazes, inside glove slaps, punches that don't even land. Countless non scoring shots. And I've only just pointed out 4 or 5 of them, he's got more. But I don't know if I have it in me to carry on this ridiculous "debate". I'm just purely watching the clip back and seeing what lands as a scoring shot and what doesn't.
     
    Quina74, May 18, 2022
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As I pointed out earlier, the DAZN camera angle is inconclusive due to the angle. That's why I provided the overhead camera which shows it from the side being brushed aside by Canelo's glove. From that angle, you were very confident that it was blocked which Q can't accept and now he's trying to convince you otherwise. Q is trying to change your mind by showing you an inconclsuive angle because he cannot stand being proved wrong which the overhead view does. Remember ellerbe you've already concluded that this shot was clearly blocked and not a scoring shot and despite Q's best efforts he hasn't convinced you otherwise from the other angle.

    From the DAZN angle, this would be the frame that would show whether or not it connected with his forehead, and as we can see here :

    https://i.imgur.com/X9wu2Xs.jpg

    there's no evidence of Bivol's glove connecting with the forehead, there simply isn't a frame showing that. Look at the position of Canelo's right glove in that frame, it's directly in front of his forehead, so we don't have a frame from that angle showing Bivol's glove inside of Canelo's glove at the point of contact.

    Remember @ellerbe these were your previous comments about this :

    Now lets put this one to bed shall we, we heard Q's desperation attempt to convince you otherwise. ellerbe please make your final decision to put Q out of his misery. Was the shot blocked (as you stated earlier) or has Q convinced you that it actually landed and it's a scoring shot? Please make your final ruling then we can move on to the next one. Thanks.
     
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  9. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wrong on every single account shadow.

    Different angles provide different perspectives, obviously. Even your angle shows Bivol glove explicitly go past Canelos glove and connect with his head. Quite clearly from the clip below (watch full screen otherwise youre not really watching it properly ) Why does Canelo's head move backwards as well? It absolute connects with Canelo's head. Canelo doesn't move his head with the punch. It's not a full on snappy jab. But it has some snap, Bivols arm is fully extended . It definitely hits his head making it move back. Clear as day and it's Canelo's hand didn't move into his own head because his hand was to the side of Bivol's glove. Shadow you're super duper slow mo video was just a cherrypick and even then it was a cherrypick gone wrong. @ellerbe or any sane person chime in :

    (watch full speed - I know you're igneoign this shadow because youre in denial)

    https://imgur.com/gallery/hqCEsdA

    And normal speed Dazn Broadcast angle:

    https://m.imgur.com/gallery/hmHhA2N

    Remember you have to watch full screen to see it properly. And also reminder Shadow (which you keep ignoring and not acknowledging also), super slow mo does not always demonstrate the full impact of the punch

    And also shadow, you going to respond to that question I've asked you. This is the tenth time I've asked literally.. You can't answer it, because if you do your whole argument crumbles (if that isn't already obvious)

    Shadow you are in denial. You're a cherrypicker just like your ginger boy
     
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  10. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a love tap is it @shadow111 but the punches you credit from Canelo as landing aren't despite those at best grazing and barely move Bivols head?! You can't even answer simple questions.. You have gone straight into ignore mode and denial
     
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  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    @shadow111 here's the question that you've been ducking and diving. Come on answer it.

    You just can't admit it when you are wrong and go straight into denial, alternate reality and spin mode.
     
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  12. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    https://m.imgur.com/gallery/hmHhA2N

    Given what I've explained .. How can you deny that punch did not land (watch full screen)? Absolutely ludicrous

    Canelo does attempt to parry but the punch clearly lands and jolts his head back
     
    Quina74, May 18, 2022
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  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You keep saying I ducked that question. However I responded directly to it back in post #532. Did you miss my response there or what?
     
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  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    If I’m giving you my honest assessment I see Canelo parrying it from shadows angle, from your angle it’s possible it lands and he touches Canelos forehead, if it was up to me I wouldn’t score it. But I wouldn’t be furious if you scored it as a very weak grazing grab that barely touched. @shadow111 @exocet76 @kiwi_boxer would like to see what you guys think.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a love tap that was blocked. I know how badly you want to spin this into a landed punch, but it's a ludicrous attmempt at doing so.
     
    shadow111, May 18, 2022
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