Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Quina74, May 10, 2022.

  1. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just agree to disagree and move on with your lifes people.
     
  2. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Look that's all it is. he may not get aggresive but he's frustrating because he doesn't answer pertinent points that undermine his narrative and he will attempt to turn it back on you. like you are the one being the arsehole when it's him doing the deflecting and lying.
    This is why I keep saying about being in good faith because Shadow isn't. If I'm wrong myself I will just conceed that pooint and just move on. Shadow on the other hand isn't man enought for that so it's gets reduced to him twisting what you've said when he's the one on the back foot. Having said that he does break and has been broken then vanishes for the heat to die down but I never forget.
     
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  3. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This has been my experience with shadow in every single one of my discussions with him. He's just a very dishonest guy. He tries to spin it to come off as if he is the one being rational and having a civilised debate when really he is just lying through his teeth. I think "weasel" is the best term for him
     
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  4. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I usually just end up stop responding before he disappears because his twisting of reality is quite frustrating. I'm not stopping until he concedes this time round
     
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  5. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's the most appropriate term for Shadow in all the exchanges I've had with him. It's that illusion of sounding reasonable when he's lying through his teeth.
    "Weasel"
     
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  6. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's the spirit Q don't give up or conceed to his nonsense. The fact is he's busted up and has nowhere to go as I explained the shifting narrative since the fight. He's hoping that you get frustrated and throw the towel in.
    Just understand that he's the one who is talking nonsense not you.
    The fact he provided the clip that sealed his fate is both ironic as well as hilarious.
     
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  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe I have spoken Full Member

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    Definitely not the end all be all, just giving my honest opinion on how I see ****.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's all we can expect of anybody, however what we've seen in here goes far beyond that. It's the agenda driven nonsense that needs to be called out. I can put out more of these clips like you asked, but will these guys be able to handle it? Some of these guys take film study so personally that I'm not sure it's worth it. That said, I'm satisfied with what I have demonstrated in here with clips from the overhead camera. It's given us better angles to see what really happened on a lot of these shots, it's important that we do our due diligence to expose false narratives and more accurately quantify the work being done in the ring.
     
  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    exocet76 and Quina74, are you serious guys ? Why you even responding to this troll ?
    What is the point in arguing with a complete mad/crazy/delusional person ? Obviously all he see is Clenbuterolos *** all over his face, and he can't do anything else, just claiming nonsenses. He doesn't live in reality, so what is the point to drag this thread to 50 pages?

    Why you even debunking whether individual punch has landed or not? What is the point ? This wasn't a close match at all. Not close on the scorecards, not close on the actual punch landed, not close on who the boss on the ring was ?
    Bivol clearly schooled and dominated Clenelo, so what is the point to go into such discussion with a clear delusional person, and waste your precious time?
    Next time he will claim draw was a good result, and next time it will be that Clenbuterolos was robbed.

    This fight can be scored only 3 ways. 10-2, 11-1 or 12-0. That is it. If you give Canelo some mercy it's 10-2, if you are 100% strict and score as you should, this was 12-0 all over it.
    Paid judges, obviously paid referee, everything in his favor, his stadium, and stacked the deck heavily, and he still get schooled, bullied, dominated 12-0 !!!
    Clearly shadow, and all of Clenbuterolos fanatics are in denial mode and trying to safe face being even more delusional than usual.
    But there is a cure against such people, and everyone with a normal mind and every normal person that value their time, and don't want to be drag in absolutely useless discussion with no end, and most importantly deluded and heavily biased(even beyond that) discussion will have this guy on ignore.
    This is the cure, every normal person should ignore him, and let him argue with himself.
    I feel bad for myself for having to write this. Just lol.
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Coming into it with this kind of thinking is textbook closed-mindedness. You'll never be able to to rationally discuss anything with this kind of thinking. You've lost the battle before it even has begun. Why are we discussing individual punches? Because it's the only real way to show who is seeing the action clearer and who is seeing what they want to see. If you go into a match flippantly assuming that any borderline Canelo punch is a miss and any borderline Bivol punch lands, that's all it takes to determine who wins rounds. You end up with thinking it has to be 12-0 Bivol and that's that. What I've done is show through different angles that this is flawed thinking. When you see something from a bad angle, if it's not clearly seen, then you can convince yourself of anything you want to believe. But with a different angle like the overhead camera, that gets easily exposed.

    I don't take any of your insults personally, because I know what the foundation of all of this is, it stems from an irrational hatred of Canelo for whatever reason, and with that ideology, everything is seen through the prism of that. I am happy to continue with Q or exo or any of the Canelo haters if they want to discuss other punches. Just let me know if you want to continue this discussion, if you'd prefer to leave it here and let this topic die off, I'm fine with that too. But if we do continue, we really need to avoid it turning into a hissy fit of ad hominem attacks and petty insults. This is immature behavior from ya'll so if you want to continue get your act together and let me know what you want to do from here.
     
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  11. ellerbe

    ellerbe I have spoken Full Member

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    I like how lordlosh questions exo and q why they bother arguing with you and tries to discredit your character, then goes on to write his own little essay on how the fight can only be scored one way without backing it up in any way. It's like you said, they have this irrational hate for Canelo, at least @exocet76 and @Quina74 are arguing with facts and bringing up timestamps to make their cases, lordlosh is just being a ****ing *****.
     
  12. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Active Member Full Member

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    Just re-watching Hopkins v Tito and in many ways Bernard's 'career-defining' performance reminds me a lot of Bviol's victory over Canelo - except, Bivol's was even clearer to me. Lots of paralels in there both in terms of Canelo/Tito being the posterboy, Canelo moving up, but also Hopkins jab and and 1/2 I was reminded a lot of Bivol/Canelo; Tito trying to back Bernard onto the ropes, Bernard spinning out and replying with crisp counters and top-drawer defence.
     
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  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 #PrayforShadow Full Member

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    Id say its just as much a situation where they dont like you as well as possibly Canelo
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or maybe dummy i'm not full of ***** unlike you ?
    I have already made thread about that fight long ago, and explained how, why i scored the fight like that.
    I even explained by short story in here, but you need something you haven't to understand it. Let me help you, it's called a brain.
    When a fight is so one-sided, and Bivol outlanded Clenbuterolos in every single round and what i see on the TV is exactly what happen, aka Bivol school/dominate your fanhero, i don't need to write essay and to look at slow motion if x or y punch landed, where the fight was so one-sided.
    And yeah "brainy" in the thread with my scoring and detail explanation, more than 90% agreed with me, the other part have the fight 117-111, again super wide.
    So nice try, but ain't working.
     
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  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe I have spoken Full Member

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    I had Bivol winning 9-3. You seem very angry and frustrated. Instead of lashing out like a 5 year old that needs to be put on timeout, take a deep breath and relax. When people debate all I care about is the evidence they're backing their claims up with. You came in with the purpose of lashing out like an angry little boy. What was the purpose of your post? To belittle Shadow and Canelo fans? Does it make you feel better aggressively attacking people?
     
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