Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

Not all of Canelo's shots the first 4 rounds landed on the arms, enough landed to the body and head that imo offset the guaging shots and flicks that virtually do zero to Canelo's being.

The first 4 rounds were competive but the intensity of Canelo's connects to the body and head not just the arms wins him the round imo.

Btw, even the shots landed by Canelo to Bivol's arms and shoulders were inflicting more damage to Bivol than the touch punches by Bivol that land on Canelo's face with the intensity of a mosquito kick.

 

Btw, both fighters here exhibited exellent defense, Canelo's defense as usual was exellent, without bothering to look at punchstats which I rarely do, neither fighter had a significant connect rate of clean shots thoughout the fight.

 

Exactly why no normal person should try to enter any conversation with Clenbuterolos fanboys.

Canelo is throwing punches, missing wildly, his opponent are blocking everything fully, and Clenbuterolos fanboys starting to explain how good he is, how many power punches he land, and why he won the round, based on doing nothing, but missing shots ...

And then the double standard with his opponent, for example we have a similar situation, but his opponents actually land shots, yeah obviously Canelo block some of them, doing fancy stuffs, and all that b.c., and guess what Clenbuterolos fans still praise their boy, for his incredible defense.
So what is the point to discuss anything with them ? Straight up ignore, and not losing any time.

And btw, a point you missed, as well as me in my previous post is this:

The main purpose of defense is not to just block, and then goes on to receive more, and block more, but to actually block and counter.

And/or as well to make your opponent throw and you block/miss his shots and make him lose stamina and gassed him out.

Exactly what Bivol does to Canelo.

Canelo didn't counter a single flurry of Bivol, while Bivol was waiting patiently, blocking everything, Canelo get tired in the rounds(and overall) and Bivol counter him and then land on his own, and Canelo couldn't come back, cause his gas tank was already empty.

This is what effective and smart means.
Bivol won the fight clear 12-0.

Not going to bother with any of the Canelo ridiculous fans anymore and i suggest any normal person to do so. Let them argue with themselves.

 

Canelo faces tell you a different story.
Also compubox shows that you are living very far from reality.
Canelo did nothing, except for 2 uppercut that was partially blocked.
Bivol on the other hand make Canelo face looks like hot red tomato, this is a fact !!!!

And straight up for your bias your ending on my ignore list, as every blinded Canelo fanboy.

 

I was talking specifically about round one. Nevertheless the next three rounds were similar.

Nah. One punch does not get multiplied 4 times just because 'your guy' landed it. I had it 8-4 to Bivol, but in rewatching the fight it occurs to me that I may have been generous to Canelo.

It makes no difference whether Canelo's punches left no mark or whether Bivol's arm was dripping blood all over the ring ... punches to the arms are not scoring shots. Canelo took a gamble that if he invested in punching Bivol's biceps, he would force him to lower his defences and reduce his own output in the later rounds enabling him to KO him. His gamble did not pay off. If it had everybody would be calling him a genius, but the downside to this is that by investing in non-scoring shots he gave rounds away.

I do note that Canelo wore a big ol' pair of dark glasses to the press conference afterwards to disguise the damage that Bivol's mosquito flicks did. Funny, that.

 

Lest we forget: Cane;lo looked like a bug

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If Canelo lands an uppercut and 10 punches on the shoulder or arm, Canelo wins the round.
Bivol's work has nothing to do with scoring tbh.

 

The same thing they said when GGG fought off the backfoot and drew Canelo into traps in the rematch. In the first fight Canelo landed a few big shots that way and made ggg miss wildly on occasion, and the Canelitas argued that this should give ginger the match. When Golovkin returned the favour in the rematch ... suddenly defence, big shots and making Canelo miss wildly didn't count anymore and it was all about 'mexican style means victory'.

So, to answer your question: Bivol's punches to Canelo's arms will not be counted as scoring punches and Canelo's three solid shots will count for x4 as is usual for him.

The Clenelites' scoring criteria consist of goalposts on trolley wheels.

 

No one's denying that his head "moved" back during the blocking motion, we can plainly see that from the overhead view, what we weren't sure about was what caused his head to move back and with your claim that his head "jolts" back from impact which you're now walking back by rephrasing it to "moved" back. Jolt back could only be from a punch, moved back could be a pull back from Canelo or from his own glove being pushed back or some combination of the two.

We can't see Bivol's glove connect from either angle Q. From the DAZN angle, we can see Bivol's jab impacting Canelo's glove, which is why we see it as a block. Looking at your slower motion clip, the jab being blocked may have caused Canelo's own glove to push back onto his forehead. That's more plausible than Bivol's jab connecting with his forehead directly which is your argument. Not only do we not see that but we see Bivol's glove connecting with Canelo's glove on both angles, and from the DAZN angle we see Canelo's glove placement in between his forehead and Bivol's glove.

I'm trying to meet you halfway on this, I'm trying to give you a way out here : Bivol's jab hits Canelo's glove, pushing his own blocking glove back and moving his head back slightly, he also may have instinctively pulled back as well. Canelo does a lot of subtle movement like that, pulling back slightly when he sees jabs coming. What I'm saying is that we don't have any video evidence of Bivol's jab actually landing on Canelo's forehead, did it connect with Canelo's glove and did the impact of the gloves connecting cause his own glove to push back which moved his head back, that I can accept as a plausible scenario. You arguing that Bivol's jab actually landed is what we disagree about, not that Canelo's head moved back.

I described it as a love tap because it wasn't thrown at full extension, appeared to be very light, and most importantly didn't land and hit glove. If someone throws a light jab into a glove, even if it moves the glove back slightly, I consider that a love tap because it wasn't thrown fully and didn't land. It's always a combination of how hard a shot is thrown plus how well it's blocked. This happened to be well blocked. In other examples Q we see Bivol load up on shots, them hitting gloves but having more force behind them, and actually moving the glove out of the way and still landing. This one didn't have as much force as most of his other jabs at full extension, even when hitting gloves depending on the angle deflecting off them and landing. And to show you what I mean by this, I described the following punches as such:

"0:55 Clearly lands one jab" - it landed but only after being blocked by Canelo's glove. it was blocked pretty fully but it had some mustard on it to continue through the glove and connect lightly across the chin

"0:13 possibly a right hand (again camera angles)" - blocked, glove pushed aside, may have slightly connected to face after hitting glove

These are examples of shots that I would say you could argue as a possible scoring shot even though it hit glove first because it had more mustard on it, and ended up pushing the glove aside and still landing somewhat. These 2 examples were not love taps Q because they were heavier shots thrown at full extension.

First you say it clearly doesn't land then you say that maybe it touches Bivol. These are conflicting statements. If you are aren't sure if it touched Bivol or not, then you can't say it "clearly doesn't land". If it clearly doesn't land then you wouldn't be open to the possibility that it touched Bivol.

Here is a screenshot of the jab landing :

https://i.imgur.com/btQbhyV.jpg

Come on Q, you see it right there landing in between the guard right on the forehead of Bivol. And after it lands, you see Bivol's head "move back" and he starts backing up towards the ropes. Unlike the aforementioned Bivol "love tap that was blocked" by Canelo that you said landed, the difference here is that Bivol's glove is not "in front" of his forehead like Canelo's was in the other example. From this frame we can clearly see it being placed in between Bivol's guard and connecting to the forehaed. Don't tell me this clearly didn't land, you know better. If you still take exception with me counting this as a landed jab, then please describe exactly what you see in that frame. Do you think the jab was blocked or was just short? I'm guessing that your argument isn't that it was blocked but that it was just short of connecting with the forehead, if that was the case then how do you explain Bivol's head "moving back"?

Look, the shoulder shot is more borderline and I don't have any problem with you not counting this as landed Q. This is very borderline, and yes Bivol got his foream onto it and slowed it down. I already agreed with ellerbe about this, while making the point that it still connected with the shoulder, but not with much force. Due to Bivol getting his forarm onto it, you could count that as a block, that's fine with me, I count it as a partial block and partial land, I wouldn't insist that this should be considered a scoring shot, though I think it's debatable. So count this as a block Q, that's fine with me, but you shouldn't have any problem with me pointing out that it did in fact land. We're not gonna agree on everything, but lets find the common ground here rather where possible.

 

Wow you clearly don't watch boxing much. The first 4 rounds?
Poor troll attempt. Bivol outlands Canelo bu some margin.

 

In fairness, you're making it sound like Canelo didn't land any shots besides the uppercut and arm or shoulder punches. He landed plenty of jabs and other punches in Round 1 besides the uppercut and shoulder shots several of which are currently being debated.

 

Didn't read complete nonsense...
Still spinning Shadow nearly all of this is irrelevant to whether the punch scores and it does.....