Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

Brother we can't rewrite the boxing rules. Arm shots intentional or not are not scoring punches.

 

Where in the boxing rules does it say that arm or bicep/shoulder punches are not scoring shots? Also please describe what you see in that clip. What happened there, you tell me.

 

**** you got me there shadow. Tbh, I've never seen that officially in a rule. I just never heard shots to the back, elbows, shoulders, biceps, etc counted as a landed shot.

 

You appear to be getting confused my friend.
You are conflating a solid pinch to the arm which it is but it's sill not scoring as it's not part of the body (trunk)
Is it a legal shot? Yes
is it a scoring shot? No. it's not part of the body or the head.
So what's the point of punching the arm then if it's not scoring? Well it hurts and you can slow the output down if sufficient damage is done.
How do you know that? Well we can observe the same in MMA (which has different rules btw) when fighters concentrate on kicking the leg. Over time the person on the receiving end cannot either use that leg or put weight on it.
So it's fine targeting the arms because the purpose isn't to score but to accrue damage so they can't use it.
I'm sure most of us have had dead arms and dead legs when we were younger with siblings or friends.
Now it can be counted as effective aggression so one of the 4 scoring criteria. that has to be measured and is in contect to what the other person is doing. So in this instance Bivol is clearly outlanding and being the ring general in mastering distance and making Canelo miss and unable to counter effectively.
So Shadow you can't just rewrite rules because now you want to count every contact made that isn't how this works. I have a hi res copy and will be running the first 4 rounds on a 75inch 4k panel and I will count clear punches landed for both. I think we both know how this will end and it won't be pretty.

 

Did you see that clip? Just describe in your words what is occuring there. There's a difference between an arm punch, a bicep punch, or a shoulder punch. If you look closely, the right hook really landed to the shoulder muscle, so I hear a lot of people calling shoulder punches arm punches. I'm hearing a lot of references to arm punches, but it's the shoulder that connects the arm to the rest of the body, punches to the arm are not as damaging as punches to the shoulder which affect the movement and strength of the entire arm.

 

I'll stop you right there. The shoulder is most certainly part of the body.

I keep hearing you and others claiming that a punch to the shoulder bicep or arm is not a scoring shot. Where in the boxing scoring criteria does it state that punches to this area cannot be considered scoring shots? Please provide evidence to support your claim that these cannot be considered scoring shots.

 

If the arm is a scoring punch shouldn't fighters just aim for the arm? The arm is used to block shots. Are shots to the glove a scoring punch too if they're intentional and hurting the opponents hands?

 

That's a bad example for your argument because in MMA kicks to the legs are in fact scoring shots lol.

The purpose of landing any punch is to score and to do damage. Punches to the shoulder are no exception to that.

Your view is very flawed on many levels. First of all, Canelo is the clear ring general in round 1, that's not even debatable. The fact that you think Bivol is the ring general in round 1 shows how utterly lost you are lol. Second, Canelo is clearly the effective aggressor in this round with Bivol in retreat and being roughed up with his back on the ropes several times. To your one good point here, yes that's true this shoulder shot can also be counted towards effective aggression even if you somehow don't think you can count it as a scoring shot. It certainly strengthens his effective aggression dominance this round so I agree with you there.

I'm not the one rewriting the rules fella, that would be you claiming that you can't score punches to the arm bicep or shoulder. That's something you and others just made up and believe for some reason but have not shown any evidence that it exists as a rule as it pertains to what can be considered a scoring punch.

 

Yeah if the arm is a scoring punch all fighters should just aim for the arm since it is waaaay easier to land on the arm than any other body part since the arm is used to block body shots for example.

 

We're talkng about Professional prize fighting. Amateur boxing is scored very differently than the pros.

 

Fair point. I guess there could be an argument that pro boxing is based off damage.

 

I have to side with Q on this one @shadow111 but I see your point too just don't agree with it.

 

Oh my lord Shadow you are conflating AGAIN.
I clearly say in brackets that MMA rules are different which is why I put that in brackets for you yet you ate that dishonest as a person thathave a go anyway and conflate like a complete numpty.
The point stands that punches to the arm only serve the purpose of causing damage and reducing of the output of the other fighter.
I've just watched the first round this minute from a different angle and well bivol is massively outlanding Canelo with cleaner scoring shot's .
I give Canelo some credit for pressing forward but he's loading up too much for power shot's and Bivol is simply stepping back and making Caneelo miss or hit the arms. So no Canelo is not being the ring general because you are conflating that with aggression but as Canelo is being outlanded by some margin with Bivol getting off several flurries to Canelo's single sgot's it's clear as day. So it's moot point as he clearly is less effective at landing in this round.
To say that myself and "others" have just made up the rules about hitting the body and the front and side of the head shows how dishonest and ignorant of the rules of professional boxing you are.
Like with Flat Earth you need some education bedore you speak otherwise you get completely exposed by people who know more than you.
No amount of spinning deflecting and reframing can get past this Shadow.
You can try but I will always break you down because you always start from a fallacy (Flawed thinking) position.