Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. BCS8

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    Also Mayweather would have lost half his fights given that his mastery was to use the shoulder as a shield against punches ;) But sure, Shadow >>> all the judges since the shoulder roll was invented :rolleyes:
     
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  2. shadow111

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    They're not easier to target and land on, because you can only really land on them when you're opponent is covering up or not punching when you can identify a non-moving target. Try landing a bicep or shoulder shot while someone is punching or moving. It's pretty much impossible. You have to wait until they are in defense mode or caught on the ropes covering up. When they are not covering up, then there would be easier places to target and land than the shoulders or arms. Landing on the shoulders or bicep is generally only targeted when there are no other targets available, like when someone is covering up and preventing you from landing elsewhere.
     
  3. BCS8

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    SHADOW: DELUSION LEVEL 9000!
     
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  4. shadow111

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    It's an interesting point though, people lost their minds over how many rounds were given to Canelo against Mayweather, do you have any idea how many arm punches he landed on Mayweather?
     
  5. Quina74

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    You're doing the same thing again. Just repeating stuff that isn't true and referring to that one view of yours.

    From that angle you act like Canelo's glove did all the work when you can't actually see that so your being dishonest. What you can see from these two clips is Canelo's glove going forward, and Canelos head jolting back. It's literally right there to see.

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  6. BCS8

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    We should rescore that fight and submit a complaint
     
  7. Quina74

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    This isn't even debate worthy. You are trying too hard to credit Canelo winning rounds 1 to 4 and his absolutely failed miserably. See ya later
     
  8. shadow111

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    Or you could score the arm bicep and shoulder punches.
     
  9. shadow111

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    So what do you see here in this clip?

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    Do you consider this a "block" or a "landed punch"? What happened here - in your own words.
     
  10. ellerbe

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    He wasn't intentionally trying to block. It's a landed punch on a non-scoring area.
     
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  11. shadow111

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    Landing punches to the shoulder or bicep are not easy to do. Arms move a lot more than the head or the torso. Think about that. You said that landing to the arms or shoulders is so easy that everyone would do it if you they could score points doing that. It's not easy to target someones bicep or shoulder if they are punching or re-positioning their gloves. It's actually quite diffcult to open that up as a target. If your opponent is just standing there covering up like Bivol was, particularly when your opponent is against the ropes so he can't back up more, then the shoulder/bicep become a target, and Canelo got him to cover-up with those 2 jabs to open up the shoulder/bicep for the right hook.

    You don't just appreciate the skill and IQ in how Canelo set that up, you don't appreciate the kind of things that Canelo does in the squared circle like setup a shoulder/bicep shot like that by getting Bivol to get his gloves up to open up the right hook.
     
  12. shadow111

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    And to be clear, what makes you think that that's a non-scoring area?
     
  13. Quina74

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    I'm actually laughing at this. I can't carry on this conversation I'm afraid. You credit and score Canelo's arm, shoulder, glove shots , inside glove slap, grazing/probing punches, and punches that come within a cm of landing. Like come the **** on. This is just ridiculous
     
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  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I feel like it's just a known fact. I get your argument on damaging punches, but I just don't agree it should be counted. Is there somewhere that says arm punches count?
     
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  15. exocet76

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    Because that's what's in the rules Shadow. Jesus wept.
    The fact punches hurt or thrown does not mean they magically score you are using a dalllacy AGAIN and ignoring the clear rules.
    It's also irrelevant whether a punch is difficult or not to throw that's just complete nonsense.
    I will give you an A for effort but your premise is so flawed and illogical it beggers belief.
     
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