Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not just that it's damaging, it's technically a clean effective punch. We have people trying to act like we can't count that punch when scoring the round, which is utter nonsense. even exo pointed out that it would count towards effective aggression. That punch landing had a big impact on the judges, it was clearly visible, it landed hard. That punch landing hurt Bivol's chances of winning the round and helped Canelo's.

    There's nothing in the rule book or in the scoring criteria that states that it can't be considered a scoring blow. It's a legal punching area and any legal punch to a legal area of flesh on the body can be scored 100%. It was a very effective clean landed punch that contributed to Canelo winning the round. It strengthened his effective aggression, it was noticeable to the judges. Canelo haters are trying to argue it can't be counted as a scoring shot because they know how significant of a punch that was, and they want to do anything to ignore or discredit Canelo's work in the round.
     
  2. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a punch to the arm that's blocking the body.It's still a none scoring ounch however many times you ask.
     
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  3. shadow111

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    Once again, there's nothing in the rule book or in the scoring criteria that states that it can't be considered a scoring blow. The shoulders and arms are perfectly legal areas to target. Any legal area on the body is a scoring area.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The shoulder is a part of the body.
     
  5. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are not listening you clown shoe.
    It's irrelevent whether it's a clean pinch it's ina non scoring area.
    Again you conflate my comment regarding aggression to mean that it should be scoring. it isn't it has nothing to do with it they are seperate things.
     
  6. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again another fallacy Shadow.
    The fact it's in a legal area does not mean that it's autonatically a scoring punch.
    You are just making things upto how you want them to be and ignoring reality.
    Punches to the body (Trunk) and to the front and side of the head. That's what scores and no amount of you talking complete crap and trying to spin and reframe will change reality.
     
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  7. shadow111

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    You claiming that it's a non-scoring area does not make it so. It is clearly defined as a legal area to punch, and any legal area is by definition a scoring area, as the scoring critera does not expressly define any legal areas as non-scoring areas. You and others who believe that it is a non scoring area is entirely of your own making.
     
  8. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So what are you now conceeding that the arm punches are none scoring as per the rules?
     
  9. shadow111

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    I'm not making anything up, you're the one claiming that shoulder punches are not scoring punches. There is nothing in the rules or in the judging criteria that prohibits punches that land on shoulders biceps or arms as being counted as scoring shots. As usual, you are simply making things up to suit your agenda.
     
  10. shadow111

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    Arms and biceps are part of the body too last time I checked. Any legal punching area is a scoring area.
     
  11. exocet76

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    No it isn't you are making crap up and spinning but going nowhere.
    You are using a fallacy stating that all legel ares are scoring which is clearly incorrect.
    If you do this again I will do a poll and quote you and shut you down and make you look the complete tool that you are.
    For the upteenth time arm punches are not part of the trunk part of the body or the head so they are none scoring.
    I will carry on reitterating my point until it sinks in Shadow.
    You are literally trying to rewrite clearly laid out rules on scoring.
    If they were a scoring area everyone would be punching the arms all the time. but they don't they just cause cumulative damage.
     
  12. exocet76

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    You see now you are reframing it to just shoulder punches so I will ask you again.
    Do you conceed that arm punches are none scoring?
    Simple yes or no Shadow.
     
  13. exocet76

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    No it isn't. You are trying to be a weasel and twist the definition. The body means the trunk Shadow don't be such a cretin you are making a fool of yourself trying to even attempt to argue this basic point that 99% understand other than you.
     
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  14. exocet76

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    No it isn't. you saying it doesn't make it so you fool.
     
  15. m.s.

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    Canelo lost 10 - 2, Canelo got ambarrased. End of story. "Hasta La Vista" pound for pound!!
     
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