Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

Look I'm not the one that's heart broken.....You are..
I brag about clowinng you because that's exactly what I did......... by countering every piece of evidence you provided whilst you left many of my points unanswered. In fact when I caught you lying and editing articles to fit your narraitive you vanished for two weeks for the fire to die down.
It's there for all to read with many commenting on your dishonesty and mental gymnastics. I'm fairly chilled but if I know someone is lyimg to my face then I will always get to the bottom of it. and I will fact check myself and break down into the smallest details.
I audit and underwrite (finance) as my day job and I have an engineering background so analysing information is my second nature.
So reading people like you is easy. I will set traps that you walk into every simgle time because you can't help but lie when cornered.
That's where you came undone Shadow.

 

What was telling was before we ever went at each other, you were already bragging about how good you were at dealing with flat earthers and how you destroy them and all this stuff. I was like wow this guy is really confident in himself about the globe, so I thought lets put this supreme confidence to the test. Lets just say you didn't exactly pass the test, it became readily apparent that you had no interest in addressing anything or proving your points, it was just they're wrong because you said so, and that's that. So despite your grand praises of yourself, you haven't accomplished anything, not in regard to proving your globe not in regards to our boxing discussions. It's all just you having a hightened sense of self confidence. But go ahead, keep patting yourself on the back, if that's what you need to do to pump yourself up and convince yourself of how great you are, or how well you are doing in competition with me, then, well who else is gonna do that for you?

All I'm saying is that it's a sign of insecurity for you to pump yourself up as often as you do. If you know anything about psychology you'd know that it's a sign of insecurity to brag about winning arguments to the extent you do. It's like you have to keep telling yourself and others about how well you did against me to keep convincing yourself that you didn't get smoked. Every day you wake up, you feel the need to reinforce yourself through bragging about how great you are. It's a very self absorbing and self reinforcing action. But I don't mind, I find it cute that I have made you question yourself to this extent. Really you should be thanking me for all the knowledge I've dropped on you. But I can't hold your hand forever, one day you'll have to make it all on your own.

 

“This guy is really confident about the globe”

 

1/ You haven't answered anything you are just spinning shyte ans everyone can see that.
2/ You are trying to reframe so that in your reality arm punches count because arms are attached to the body. This ignores the consensus that they don't count and body means the trunk of the body. You are unable to reconcile why all boxers don't just punch arms if they are scoring. You can't because they aren't scoring. You refusing this shows what a complete spastic you are.
3/ Gibberish
4/ That's irrelevent. None of those punches are scoring. Q is pointing out your dounle standard of ignoring Bivol's punches then in the next breath counting equivelent punches by Canelo. Q is merely pointing out your hypocrisy and double standards.
5/ Nonsense.
6/ Appeal to authority. It has to be seperated betweeen what is a scoring punch ie.body (trunk) front and side of head. Then how much contact / how clean / how much power a punch has. These are different elements. You have a brain malfunction regarding both what are scoring punches then being inconsistent depending who is throwing the punch.
So you are giving everything you can to Canelo and then ignoring clean punches by Bivol. This is why you are getting pulled up.
Yes some of this is subjective but where punches land and what scores isn't. Aslo you can't count a tap to the forehead then disregard a clean jab that snaps the head back. This is what you have done from the start and this is why you have had to shift the goal posts throughout this discussion.
7/ "You haven't proved anything Q, but I enjoy your spirited effort and your unwillingness to back down from a good debate" That''s a little ironic coming from you Shadow. Lacking self awareness as well as being deluded.
8/ I will go through the fight over this weekend and count scoring punches and I will be consistent. you will struggle with clean punches and output and ring control and generalship.
It's near the end now Shadow.

 

Just nonsense and rewriting history.
I did answer EVERY point you raised whilst you left many things unanswered because you can't because the Earth is a globe.
Also I've already documented and listed the many times you deflect by accusing me of what I accuse you of.
The difference is you say things and I back what I say up with evidence.
The difference is Shadow it's there in black and white for everyone else to see.
I don't need to pump myself up pal. the results speak for themselves.
You are just making crap up like you gave me knowledge while in reality it was me proving the math and formula to work things out it's all there for everyone to see.
I took you down because you that started a thread implying that anyone who believes in the globe is an idiot. So I dismantled your BS.
It's as simple as that Shadow. You simply bit of more than you could chew. You gave up after me pounding you and breaking down your lies and fallacies. You had nowhere to go and had nothing left. It was dead after your first post because it simply had a false premise ie a fallacy.

 

Let me say hello to all the Clenbuterolos fans once again.
Congrats on your man incredible defense:

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Nowhere does it state that in boxing, the body means the trunk of the body. You just made up that term and in the same breath complain about me reframing lol. The shoulder shots that Canelo landed have not been discredited by a reframing of what you claim can't be considered a scoring shot. Further as I reminded you of, you yourself pointed out that while you don't consider them scoring shots per se, that these kind of shots could in fact strengthen one's effective aggression in a round, which is just another way of scoring the shot through a different category.

So regardless of how you spin this, you already admitted that these kinds of shots can be scored through other criteria like as proof of effective aggression. That's scoring the shot, and as a judge, you don't have to reveal how you scored each of the 4 scoring criteria, so practically speaking it makes no difference whether you personally consider these scoring shots. The fact is, these kind of shots can factor into a round and swing a round, and Canelo winning Round 1 is de facto proof of this especially if you consider the round a strong Bivol round going into the final sequence, in which case the shoulder shot late in the round would have to be valued even more for that to turn a strong Bivol round into a Canelo round in the minds of the judges as you would have us believe that Bivol was clearly winning the round up to that point. So you continue to contradict yourself at all turns, but you know that, you know you're putting everyone on due to not being able to cope with how often I've called out your shenanigans.

That's a false equivalency, and FYI I've already addressed this point directly in post #812 on Page 55. So I haven't refused to address this at all, I addressed it head on so I'll refer you to post #812.

The body shot by Bivol was blocked by Canelo's elbow, in much the same way GGG fans told us Canelo wasn't landing because how well GGG dropped his elbows to block some of Canelo's body shots. And these aren't equivalent punches, so that's another false equivalency. You trying to pretend that all punches are exactly the same is another invention on your part with dumbed down logic. No 2 punches are the same, and we need to evaluate each punch on a case by case basis. While, to Q's point, remembering and referencing how other punches were scored so to stay as consistent as possible. But for the consistency to be enforced, we would have to agree on whether certain punches landed which we mostly haven't thus far.

You saying I have brain malfunction, I'll take that as a compliment coming from you. I know what a punch landed looks like, and you can't accept me being right about anything whch is why you disagree with me on just about everything, just to disagree, like you did with that love tap at 0:46. You originally couldn't decide, then because I couldn't be right, you had to disagree and say it was blocked. You don't really have any actual opinions about these punches, it's literally just whatever my stance is, you say the opposite. You are too self absorbed to be objective, it's all a game for you to argue and take the opposite side of any issue. Basically you exist as a mirror of me, the yin to my yang, the evil to my good.

Can't wait to see what kind of funny business you come up with.

 

Just repeating the same nonsense without addressing anything.
Typical Shadow and I'm not repeating myself as I've made it clear why you are wrong and why you distorting reality just doesn't work with me.
Your poor attempts at deflecting back onto me like I use fallacies is hilarious. but as usaual just factually wrong and you just lying AGAIN.
This post doesn't warrant a response because it's just complete bollocks.

 

You were so invested in the globe, I set out to challenge your belief system, not because I had a bone to pick with you but because BCS8 was obsessed with flat earth he had questions that needed answering. I just wanted to see how you'd address the problems with the globe that flat earthers brought up, after you bragged so much about how you destroy flat earthers, I knew something had to give, and boy did it. As expected you were unable to deal with the problems of your model. It started with the curve, how could we see boats at a distance over the curve, all you did was claim that the video was doctored or that it wasn't over the distances they said they were.

That's not dealing with the task at hand, that's you saying the flat earthers who made the video must be lying or manipulating the footage. Same kind of thing with Q and the boxing, all Canelo matches must be rigged, his opponents must be taking dives, etc. Literally exo all you did was deny every single thing that was brought up, it wasn't you answering any points, or explaining how what I presented to you could exist on a globe, it was you questioning the validity of any of the proofs. In fact your resistance to the super zoom cameras and seeing the boats at vast distances, thinking it all must be fake, is no different than the spinning of the overhead camera angle here showing punches landed that you say missed or vice versa. You just have an aversion to cameras that show footage that expose your belief structure. Whether it's the overhead camera angle here, whether it's super zoom cameras over water, it's the same problem. You see what you want to see and you deny the validity of what you don't.

 

You're a broken record, you can't respond to any of my points just like you couldn't in the flat earth topic. History repeats itself, again and again.
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As regard Point #2. Scoring punches are delivered with "the knuckle part of the closed glove" per the Professional Boxing Judges' handbook, Chapter III. Hitting with "the open glove, the butt or inside of the hand, or back of the hand" is foul #8 on the list of 24 fouls.