Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

My focus was always on the shoulders, which was precisely where Canelo landed the shot at the end of Round 1 to which everyone tried to explain to me that it can't be a scoring shot because shoulders are a non-scoring area. LOL and . . . I just went into depth explaining why elbows are able to block while shoulders can't.

 

What happened to "bicep bombs"??

 

The punches in question were not "arm" shots, they were clearly shoulder shots which has now been confirmed to be a scoring area.

So to answer @Quina74 's question :

Where in the rules does it say shoulder /bicep punches are scoring blows?

https://www.abcboxing.com/ring-officials-certification-program/

There you go dumbo :

III. SCORING ZONE

Every judge should be aware of the scoring zone. The method for establishing the scoring zone starts at the top center of the head, with an imaginary line continuing down the sides of the head through the ears, down to and including the shoulders to the naval and hipbones. Caution should be taken in using the beltline, due to boxers keeping the trunks high above the navel. Any punch delivered outside of the scoring zone should not be considered when scoring the bout.

 

I better go back and start adding up all Bivol's shoulder blows.

 

So you are conceeding that arm punches don't score then?

 

We should clarify that they should be "considered" not that they are part of the scoring area. But yes you were right. Though I don't know how credible this source is, if someone else can verify what abc boxing is because I haven't heard of it before and if it is a reputable source that would be great. But for now, shadow has shut us up.

"In most cases the arms are considered defensive weapons. However, judges must take into consideration the shoulders of a boxer as being in the scoring zone."

 

LOL deflecting from how wrong you were already? Lets review : The shot that Canelo landed at the end of Round 1 was to the shoulder. You said that wasn't a scoring area, I said it was. You were wrong, I was right.

As it pertains to the arms, it says :

In most cases the arms are considered defensive weapons.

In most cases, but not in all cases. Leaving open the possibility of them being scoring blows.

Then it reiterates :

However, judges must take into consideration the shoulders of a boxer as being in the scoring zone.

Ouch, you must really feel stupid now huh.

 

Dear oh dear Shadow so the reframing and editing continues.
I've asked you several times to clarify that arm punches do not count and now un the last dew pages you have moved it to shoulders only.
I wonder why?
Especially as the last GIF was an arm punch.
Oh and here's the whole section rather than the but that specifically confirms that arms are a defensive part of the body and don't count.
Why did you miss that bit off Shadow you complete weasel.....

III. SCORING ZONE

Every judge should be aware of the scoring zone. The method for establishing the scoring zone starts at the top center of the head, with an imaginary line continuing down the sides of the head through the ears, down to and including the shoulders to the naval and hipbones. Caution should be taken in using the beltline, due to boxers keeping the trunks high above the navel. Any punch delivered outside of the scoring zone should not be considered when scoring the bout.

The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.

In most cases the arms are considered defensive weapons. However, judges must take into consideration the shoulders of a boxer as being in the scoring zone.

1. SCORING THE BOUT

As a professional boxing judge, your analytical skill is to recognize and acknowledge any advantage one participant is having over the other. At any given point of a round, you must know who is winning. At the conclusion of the round, the contestant who has won the round, no matter how minute the margin, is entitled to that round. The difference might have been a single jab, or a defensive move, yet it was still enough to give that boxer the edge.

The 10-point must system will be utilized for scoring all bouts. The winner of the round will receive 10 points, (minus any points deductions for fouls) with the lesser score awarded to the loser of the round (minus any points deductions for fouls). There are to be no fraction of points awarded, and in the event of an even round, the score will be 10/10. Even rounds should rarely, if ever happen.

A total of three (3) minutes of concentration must be used in determining the winner of a round. Judges should avoid any inclination to watch a particular contestant. Total concentration on one contestant could result in a judge’s failure to see scoring tactics by the other participant. Judges are advised to direct their gaze midway between the two contestants, causing the judge to see and note the actions of both contestants.

Determination should not be mistaken for aggressiveness when one boxer continuously moves forward boring in on the opponent regardless of the number of punches being received. If an attack is not effective, the boxer cannot receive credit for it. In order for the boxer to be effective in their aggressiveness, he or she must force the action and set the tempo of the bout through forward movement. The boxer must score punches while blocking and avoiding the opponents counter punching. An aggressive boxer who continues boring in and getting hit from every angle should not be awarded points based on aggressiveness.

A judge should not only know what a 10/9 round is, but know the degree a boxer is winning the 10/9 round. Either a boxer won a close 10/9 round, a moderate 10/9 round, or a decisive 10/9 round. Extreme decisive may push the score to a 10/8 score depending on the judgment of the judge.

Mentally, a judge MUST know which contestant is winning the round at any given point. You should know the score of the round, and the score should immediately be written on the scorecard at the end of the round.

The application of these scoring concepts will determine a winner in each round.

Shadow caught once again reframing and moving the goal posts and then omitting evidence that destroys his narrative....
Dear oh dear Shadow so you can score on the shoulder but that isn't what your argument was based on it was arm punches.....and that's what the GIF's were...

Nice attempt at backtracking budeh.

 

Yeah, look into it Q, then get back to me.

I'll be waiting. How does it feel to be exposed like this? How dumb do you feel now after lecturing me on how shoulders aren't scoring shots. You owe me a big apology Q, time to man up and take your L.

 

Maybe if it's on the front of the shoulders it's scoring but I just don't see a shot landing to the side of the shoulder as scoring lol. But hey, I may be wrong, Shadow did provide us with evidence again.

 

But you spent hours lecturing us on "bicep bombs" and haven't conceded that either...

 

Not really because you were trying to count every arm punch as scoring and then ignoring when Bivol was doing the same.
It still doesn't change the fact that Bicol schooled Canelo despite your attempts at semantics and fallacy arguments.

 

exo becoming unglued NOW LOL.

And to be clear, what makes you think that that's a non-scoring area?

https://www.abcboxing.com/ring-officials-certification-program/

 

Not very good evidence.............

ABC Boxing is a USA Boxing Licensed Boxing Gym, the governing body for Olympic-Style Amateur Boxing in the United States. Our athletes only compete in sanctioned events. This provides the opportunity for recognition through a ranking system.