Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

1.Where in the rules does it say shoulder /bicep punches are scoring blows?
Fair enough you were right in sense that the source said "shoulder shots must be taken in consideration". Let's not make out that this wasn't sheer luck that this happened to be the case for you. Let's not also make out like you explicitly said arms and shoulders are scoring shots. Let's not make out you weren't referring to the shoulder and arms as being scoring zones and excluding elbows merely to justify crediting (displaying your obvious bias) Canelo and discrediting Bivol.

The source says "shoulder shots must be taken in consideration" it doesn't say how you have to consider the punch or that you have to a consider it an effective scoring blow. It also doesn't say that its on equal footing to a head or body punch.

I think most would agree that head punches and body punches are far superior target areas. Your argument that it is hard to land punches on arms is just ridiculous and evidence of never having sparred. "it's not easy to land on arms because they are often in motion" that was what you said... But yeah the shoulder included in the scoring zone is always in motion isnt it! Never static right!! (below) again arms and shoulders are crude easy target that require minimal thinking. You can swing arms all over the place and bet you'll very likely hit arm/shoulder.

Again, I wasn't appealing I was simple referring to amateur boxing as it is only thing out there that is similar to pro boxing. They don't score arms/shoulders shot, indicative that they don't see them as equal, damaging or as effective as head and body shots. This is just one of the whole plethora of reasons why, even if ABC say shoulder shots must be taken into consideration, doesn't mean they should anywhere be near equal footing as head and body shots. This is and the fact No commentator or boxer says oh what an arm/shoulder shot! (as to opposed to body shot) It's widely believed amongst boxers (hence why they don't go for arms/shoulders) and public that punches are blocked if it hits arms/shoulders /gloves. Of course, as you've shown its a "shot that must be taken into consideration". However, most and myself would not consider shoulder shots to be anywhere on equal footing to head and body shots which I can bet you'll argue for. Bivol does not deserve to lose round one on the basis of taking 2 shoulder blows despite outlanding Canelo more than 2-1 in conventional score punches in body and head.

Shadow, you used to appeal to it all the time in your arguments for Canelo against GGG. Compubox is used in most top level fights and referred to by the likes of PBC, DAZN etc.. Yet they don't count arm and inside glove slaps... You can appeal to crooks old judges but not the only thing out there that gives an indication of punches landed. The fact they don't score that does give more credence to my already established argument that shoulder punches are NOT anywhere near equal footing as head and body punches.

That said, well done for finding a source on the matter

You are right in that elbows don't score. But id say in terms of impact punching someones elbow really fcking hard can cause as much damage as punching shoulders.

Come on then. You may have got some brownie points with the shoulder revelation. But it doesn't discount your obvious bias.. Your discrediting of Bivols punches, exaggerating scoring Canelo's grazing if at all connecting shots, inside glove shots that from your source and from BBoC confirm are in fact illegal blows, that you straight up lied about the jab From Bivol I evidenced

 

That's fair enough. The rules say shoulder shots must be taken into consideration. It doesn't how you must consider or if you should consider it an effective blow..nor does it put it on equal footing as head or body shots. Which im sorry would be ridiculous to suggest.

Again, arm and shoulder shots do not require much critical thinking, or technical placement. There's a reason fighters don't go after shoulders and arms.. Its becuase they know judges credit cleaner purposeful punching in the form of clean body and head punches

 

I can't believe after 70 pages of copium, Shadow can still not admit Canelo was schooled.

Surely he must have ran out of supplies of copium? 22IQ and ASSOL seem to have overdosed on it.

I think Shadow is lucky these two haven't shown up. At least Shadow can avoid questions, lie and spin reality, those two can't even string an argument together.

 

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