Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What those press scores show is that there isn't a consensus over who won what rounds. They only agree on rounds 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 12. All the other rounds they are split over. One of them even gave Canelo round 8, a round that Byrd gave to Canelo.

    And 2 of those 3 had it very narrow 115-113 GGG, so it just goes to show how close and hard to score that fight was.
     
  2. lordlosh

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    Round 1 - Clear for Bivol
    Round 2 - Clear for Bivol
    Round 3 - Even more clear for Bivol
    Round 4 - Very Close round, and it can really go either way, cause Bivol blocked pretty much every single Clen punches, and let just 1 uppercut slip(he actually partially blocked it, but still manage to hit him, but not hard), and Bivol actually landed more on that round, as compubox suggest, and every single time Bivol was throwing flurry, he was backing Clenelo. Also while Clen was able to block some of the punches, a lot of Bivol punches managed to penetrate Clen guard and land, while not full power, still with quite some force
    Still i give Round 4 for Clen, cause i feel for him.
    Round 5 - Clear Bivol round, and Clen looking absolutely spend
    Round 6 - Dominant round for Bivol, clear Ownage, Clen fans on suicide watch already
    Round 7 -Dominant round for Bivol and Clenbuterolos is getting beaten to death, the paid referee is trying everything in his power to help Clenbuterrolos but with no effect, as Bivol don't give a ****.
    Round 8 - Another dominant round for Bivol
    Round 9 - Best round for Clenbuterolos after 4, but with the same result. Bivol blocked absolutely everything, except for 1 body shots, that was semi-blocked. Bivol on the other hand landed clean punches and still outlanding Canelo and still throwing more than him. Still this is the best case you can give Clenbuterolos a round, after the 4.
    Round 10 - Bivol round, and the beatdown continues, Clen is already dead tired and dead frustrated
    Round 11 - Dominant round for Bivol, and the beatdown continue, referee still trying hard to help Clenbuterolos with whatever he can
    Round 12 - Oh dear another dominant Bivol round, he send Clenbuterolos to school.

    With 2 close round, which are Round 4 and Round 9, the result is a clear 118-110 schooling!
    Bivol just dominates him easily!
    There is no other round than 4 or 9 where you can make a case for Clenbuterolos, he clearly by quite some margin lost every single other round.
     
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  3. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmao shadow111 is so defeated he can't even address the rounds I've scored. Truly and utterly defeated
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Proves my point that people can't agree on rounds 1-4. Some people thought this was clear to Bivol, you say it could go either way. Fans as a whole cannot agree on who won rounds 1-4.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Speaking of defeated, the last time I tried debating rounds with you remember what happened? We got halfway through the Canelo GGG rematch, and then you had enough and ran away ll. Now you want to do it again, that's rather funny after what happened last time. Maybe if you didn't run away from our last RBR halfways through I'd be more willing to engage you again. I'm not saying I want, but the last time we did that it didn't work out too well for you now did it lol. Are you sure you want that work again? You should be thanking me for sparing you from another one of them.
     
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  7. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well watching the fight and keeping track on the RBR it is pretty clear that most on here were in agreement with myself. The problem with you Shadow as our lengthy discussion on Flat Earth demonstrated shows that you are very selective with the evidence you provide whilst ignoring everything that counters you. You mentioned Rummy in a previous post and his score but the problem with that is that''s just one person. I could counter with CST but the point is it's still one person. So yes I said on the night and now I can see it being scored 9-3 but any more is really giving all the benefit of the doubt to Canelo which just isn''t objective or fair.
    The judges all scoring the first 4 to Canelo isn't about how the fight was seen but an issue with corruption with the biggest cash cow in the sport.
    Again you won't acknowlefge this fact but the majority opinion on here by boxing fans. that is the case and for you to conceed that point would mean you would have to acknowlefge corruption in the scoring of the GGG fights.
    Which we both know you will never be honest and cough upto.
     
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  8. shadow111

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  9. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    #prayforshadow

    Nah, what happened is I had enough with you crediting Canelo's probing punches and inside glove slaps. What's the point with arguing with someone who credit's non scoring punches
     
  10. kiwi_boxer

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  11. shadow111

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    OK that's fine but most fans scored it 9-3 or 8-4. Yes I know some like CST scored it a shutout, but that's the minority. And I'm not just talking on this forum. Like on twitter, redditt, etc most scores are either 9-3 or 8-4. Rummy had it 8-4. So again I don't know what you're arguing. You and a select few have it 11-1 or even wider which is far outside the norm. You're not in the majority with those crazy one sided scores. That's the point.
     
  12. shadow111

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    And you really want that kind of thing to happen again?? I thought you had enough. Do you have a death wish or something? Lol It seems like you're asking for more punishment, I'm happy to put it on you again but I'm not sure that'll be good for your health or well being.
     
  13. kiwi_boxer

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    The irony of you basing your argument on the 'majority of scorecards'.

    Last I checked, when GGG was robbed against Canelo, 96% of the independent scorers had GGG winning by 2+ rounds.
    But, but, but 'That's not what Canelo's record reads'

    Mental gymnastics are in full swing again.

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  14. Quina74

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    Delusional
     
  15. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not arguing with you.
    I'm telling you most people on here were scoring it it less than 9-3. I'm not interested in casuals on Facebook or Twitter either.
    I might not agree with some on here but apart from the complete Noobs and Nuthuggers I respect other peoples opinions.
    I'm arguing that most did NOT score it 8-4 on here. They just didn't and for every Rummy I will counter with 3 that scored it as a near or complete shut out. That is what I'm trying to get through to you. If you make me go through the whole RBR and tot up all the scores then I will have to send you out for another spell at the asylum. Like with the earth being round this isn't down to subjective opinion because it was never close. This isn't the old "Yeah he threw less punches but did the cleaner work" that doesn't work here because he was heavily outlanded by cleaner punches. You could counter that Canelo's punches had more mustard but the point is Bivol was keeping range so many were just missing or cuffing the high guard therefore were not effective.
     
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