Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

Canelo won 2 rounds in the first half of the fight
and one round in the second half of the fight.
I see all these cry babies. saying "NO! I AM A FAIR SCORER CANELO WON ONLY ONE ROUND NOT EXCEPTIONS!!"

yes bivol won. and yes he won 8 or 9 rounds. let's do a thread for every canelo fight to why he's never won a round in his entire career.

 

If I'm the forum clown, then what does that make you fools. Ya'll are the ones who came at me, who thought shoulder shots aren't scoring shots. This is my time, this is my moment in the sun. I told ya'll that those were scoring shots, and none of ya'll knew jack about what a scoring shot is in boxing. Ya'll thought you were so smart ganging on me huh, and tell me what's not a scoring shot, look at ya'll now. Bunch of shoulder denying fools.

 

I give it you. Factually you were right.

 

Only half right because he was trying to score arm punches too.

 

Well half right Shadow you were right on shoulder punches and wrong on arm punches. So don't act smug because you are still a clown

 

Anyway saying or thinking shoulder punches are scoring punches need to visit the doc straight away.

 

Ya damn right, not only to be taken in consideration but also firmly a part of the scoring zone.

There was no luck involved. I knew what a scoring shot was, while you and many others didn't, but you thought you did didn't you, and then you came at like a bunch a rabid hyenas thinking you knew better than me. But it blew up in your face. Now you call it luck, ain't no luck in it. I knew my boxing, you didn't boy.

Yeah good, and tell that to you boyfirend too because he still saying I did. I never scored or counted any examples of shots that hit the arms that missed the shoulder. Only those 2 shoulder shots in the last minute of round 1, the big hard one late in the round and the one that came off the jab and landed to the shoulder. (while being partially blocked and slowed down by Bivol's forum which I agree with ellerbe about, but still landed, remember) Now you gotta re-evaluate those shots don't you and add them to your timestamps. That's what you really should do, now that you learned about shoulder shots being scoring shots in boxing.

I made it very clear the difference between elbows and shoulders, I even backed what ellerbe said about intentionally blocking shots, and how you can use elbows to block other parts of the body but can't with the shoulder. If you look at those timestamps I added, I credited Bivol plenty, like that clean jab that you weren't sure about, I confirmed it as a great shot by Bivol. I described things to the best of my ability but I don't claim to be perfect or incapable of making errors. If you take exception with any of it, you know where to find me, but be more willing to see it from my perspective, and if you show me respect, I will give you that same respect.

The goal is not to be biased, the goal is to create a master list of rounds 1-4. I'll go through the first 2 minuts of round 1, if you can add and credit the shoulder/bicep shots I'd appreciate it. And this business of bicep shots aren't shoulder shots, just stop. They are one in the same. If it lands on the bicep, part of the glove will hit the shoulder, which is part of the scoring area. In some of these examples, like the one at the end of round 1, the impact and force was directed more to the shoulder rather than the bicep, but a shot that hard can damage the bicep too as evidenced by the bruising on Bivol's bicep. But even if only part of the glove hits the shoulder, and it's more directed towards the bicep, it still can and should be scored, depending of course on how flush and hard it lands and how you rate its effectiveness.

The shoulders are expressly part of the scoring area, it doesn't say anything about being on equal footing or not being on equal footing to the other scoring areas.

My point was, that landing on the arm/shoulder is not as easy as you were making it out to be. Targeting the shoulder or arm may work, but it also could backfire, and in some cases it could be easier and better to land jabs to the head. It really depends a lot on how good your opponents defense is. In Bivol's case, he has such tight defense that most of the other scoring areas were protected. Canelo saw an opening with the shoulder/bicep and he landed some great clean shots to that scoring area. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's as easy to land on shoudlers or arms as you are making it out to be, but how easy it is to hit arms or shoulders vs other areas depends a lot on who you are fighting, what areas of the body they are protecting and what areas they leave open.

All do respect, I think you need to really embrace shoulder and bicep punching. I know this is a big revelation for you, but for you to argue that they shouldn't be on equal footing as head or other body shots is just wrong. What "most" think doesn't mean anything, we just proved that I was apparently the only person on this forum who knew that shoulder punches were scoring shots, if most thought they weren't scoring shots, then most were wrong about shoulder shots. So your appeals to what most think no longer carries any weight after today's episode. I'm not gonna ignore any of Bivol's work, and you shouldn't ignore Canelo's work. Treat shoulder/biceps as you would any other scoring shot, because there is no reason not to. What you thought about shoulder shots wasn't at all true, so all due respect but you are in no position to lecture me or anyone else on what kind of footing shoulder/biceps shots should be on vs other scoring shots. Before today, you didn't even think they were scoring shots at all.

Show me some respect by taking it upon yourself to credit shoulder/bicep shots as you would any other scoring shot, and if you do that, I'll show you respect and you will have earned my admiration for coming to this realization.

It's not a fact that they are not on equal footing as head and body shots. You don't know what kind of footing they are on because you didn't think they were on any footing until today. You have no credibility on what kind of footing their on after not thinking they were scoring shots at all. The only person who should be lecturing people on what kind of footing shoulder punches are on is me, because me, unlike all of you knew that shoudler punches were scoring shots.

Thanks but it wasn't me who found the source, it was my man Ducklerr, although I had to find the link on my own because he wouldn't share it when he read that shoulders are part of the scoring zone.

Brownie points? Come on now, you accusing me of discrediting Bivol's punches after everything that happened today. Take what happened today on the chin and show that you now recognize, value and credit shoulder/bicep shots.

 

ABC is the Association of Boxing Commissions aka WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF

 

So it's legit @shadow111 ? @exocet76 @Quina74

 

Not half right. You continue to showcase breathtaking intellectual dishonesty here. It's because you've been wrecked today, and you didn't even know what the Association of Boxing Commissions aka WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF were. You thought it had to be an "amateur gym" lol OK. So the gig is up, we now know that you're totally clueless, but you continue coming at me sideways because old habits die hard.

I never tried to score non-shoulder, non-bicep hitting punches to the arm you dishonest cow. Not once, not ever. I only scored the shoulder shots, which now we know were in fact scoring shots, that occurred in the last minute of round 1. That was all I ever listed or noted. After you and your know-it-all comrades started telling me shoulder shots weren't scoring shots, then you started bringing up arm punches and made it about arm punches as opposed to shoulder punches which is what I was solely focused on.

You're trying to scrape up some kind of moral victory as it pertains to non-shoulder, non-bicep arm punches which this was never about. None of those kind of shots were landed by Canelo, only the shoulder ones which is what this is about. The arm punches was brought up to deflect from counting the shoulder/bicep shots that occurred towards the end in Round 1. You were clueless about arm punches just like you were clueless about shoulder shots. And as I very clearly stated numerous times, and as Q has attested to :

"Let's not also make out like you explicitly said arms and shoulders are scoring shots."

At least Q had the intellectual honesty to back off that. Under the ABC rules, it leaves the door open that non-shoulder arm shots perhaps in "some" cases (not most cases) could be considered scoring shots, even though they are outside of the scoring zone and generally shouldn't be scored unless it connects with the shoulder, which is something that seems reasonable to me, particularly given my previous statements about the elbow and how we all agree that shots can be blocked with the elbow to protect the body.

 

Imagine having the judges in your pocket but losing so badly they couldn’t score the fight for you without risking never working again

 

This is really, really cringey. I think you need a new hobby in your life bud.

 

Bicep is the arm you complete lying spastic. you have just shown your true colours Shadow over the last 20 pages and the kind of midget as a man that you are.
I admitted I was eas incorrect about scoring shoulders but the you have doubled down and not accepting that you were trying to score arm shots. and yes the bicep is the arm you lying and twisting shite bag.
Also it doesn't change anything other than you can count a couple of ectra Canelo punches which he was heavily outlanded makes no difference.
Canelo still loses the first round however much you lie and distort.
You are a complete mental case.

The prood is this thread you just know that most won't bother to read it all bacause most of it is just your nonsesne.

 

Both Shoulders and biceps are part of the arm. Both of this aren't scoring shots. Don't care what fabricated document this lunatics have shown(Ignored and not seeing his posts), anyway saying otherwise need to visit the psychiatrist.

In Kickboxing you are blocking a lot of kicks with your shoulder. Every Mawashi geri(High Kick) would be scoring kick.

Any conditioned athlete should have no problem if you throw 100000 punches into his arms/shoulders/biceps.