Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

Shadow might want to read this again with emphasis on this

"an imaginary line continuing down the sides of the head through the ears"

That clearly refers to the front of the body, not the sides. The front is a scoring area not the bicep and not the side of the shoulder, which is where Canelo's wide looping punches were continually hitting.

 

No it doesn't

 

Read his bizarre opinions on the england team in the euros last year

Biggest fool and back tracker ever

 

That's the difference though Q. If I'm wrong then I will happily cough up. I'd always assumed that shoulders and arms don't score.
Looking at those rules arms don't and shoulders are considered. The hilarious thing is both you and me know that shadow was trying to score arm punches as well despite now claiming that he never did and had to steer us back to counting shoulders.
It's the complete lies and twisting of reality which is annoying and shows what a mentally weak cretin he is.
Even the clip he shows is clearly an arm punch....yet in his demented mind that's now the shoulder.
What a complete lying pair of clown shoes he is.

 

I repeatedly stated that shoulder/biceps shots are scoring shots, that there was nothing in the rules that prohibited them from being scored. You and others claimed that they were non-scoring shots, then were proven wrong in epic fashion.

I discredited Bivol's body punch attempt that was blocked by Canelo's elbow, because *gasp* it deflected off the elbow as Canelo was in a blocking stance with his elbows protecting the body. That shows that I didn't consider all arm shots scoring shots, I recognized the elbow could block punches unlike the shoulder.

When did I credit any Canelo punches to the forearms or any punches to the arm that didn't hit shoulders/bicep? You keep saying I was crediting Canelo punches to the arm that didn't hit shoudler/bicep, but you haven't provided any evidence of this. And again, in the ABC rules, they leave the door open that in some cases these kind of shots could be considered scoring shots, so I don't know what you think you're getting at here.

Of course you won't, you refuse to embrace shoulder/bicep shots even when shown that those kind of shots are scoring shots.

And why not? You had a faulty view of shoulder/bicep shots, thinking they weren't scoring shots at all until you were faced with the cold hard truth which is what I told you from the beginning, but you thought you knew better than me didn't cha?

Now you're saying I never was sure they were in the first place lol. What part of me repeatedly saying that there's nothing in the rules that prohibit them from being scoring shots do you not comprehend? There comes a time where you just gotta give a man his flowers. Face it, I was right, you were wrong and you still refuse to give me full credit for proving all ya'll wrong. Sad! But hey, COPE in however way you like. But know that I'll never let you hear the end of it. I'll never let you forget how wrong you were and how right I was about shoulder shots being scored, which you and others expressly denied, and how you and exo were the narcissists who came at me so hard telling me how wrong I was, only for you two and others to be proved wrong lmao.

 

You were wrong, so cough it up loser, and give a man his flowers. Still can't bring yourself to do that though can you. It takes a big man to own up to his mistakes, you haven't done that yet. Instead of saying "you know, shadow, you were right, I was wrong thinking shoulder shots weren't scoring shots, I'll never doubt you again" the first thing you did was bring up arm punches again and pretend that I was scoring shots that didn't hit the shoulder/bicep which is factually untrue. Now did I address some of your comments about arm punches and suggest that they could be scored, too depending on the situation? Sure, you can say that, because there's a difference between a shot hitting an elbow that's in blocking position protecting the body vs a shot that hits the upper arm area below the shoulder. I backed what ellerbe said about whether a shot that hits the arm was being "intentionally blocked" or not, which I think you would agree is a good rule of thumb,. And even so, the ABC rules leave the door open about non-shoulder punches to the arm being scoring shots in some cases.

You got proved wrong exo, but you have too much pride and you can't accept me being right and you being wrong, so you continue to come me about arm punches, which is what you brought up in the first place to deflect from the shoulder/bicep shots that I counted, that you and others claimed weren't scoring shots. And you hilariously deny that the punch in question at the end of round 1 that started this whole discussion even hit the shoulder now. It's an unreal amount of cognitive dissonance but I wouldn't expect anything different from you. You're a mad man when it comes to any of this. You had a narrow minded and faulty idea of whether shoulder/bicep shots were scoring shots in boxing. I told you they were scoring shots, and you learned the hard way that you were wrong and I know my boxing. You didn't boy.

You guys keep saying I was trying to score arm punches but I never specifically counted any of this kind of shot in my timestamps. The only shots I counted were his punches that connected to the shoulder which you said weren't scoring shots. We can go round and round all day with this, with you saying I was counting non-shoulder non-bicep arm shots but it won't do you any good because those weren't the kind of shots that Canelo landed in round 1 which you and others took exception with me counting. The larger discussion about other kind of arm shots was something you brought up and I made it clear that it depends on the situation, i.e. if it hits the elbow while a fighter is blocking the body, it's not a scoring shot, etc.

I'm the truth teller my man. I was the one who told the truth about shoulder shots, you're the one who LIED about shoulder shots not being scoring shots, you're the one still lying now about Canelo's punch to the bicep at the end of Round 1 didn't hit shoulder but was an "arm" punch. You can't face the facts that you were proved wrong boy. Now I'm sitting pretty, you on the other hand, not much.

 

As well as being a lying weasel you are now conflating bicep / shoulder to what the rules clearly state as shoulder.
The bicep and shoulder are two different things. you know this but your stuck in a lie because the video you post is clearly the side. rear of the bicep. So your wesal lying and twisting tactics continue. It doesn't really change anything as it just means you can count a couple of more punches that don't help the output enough to score it for Canelo.
Considering the position you started from you have had to back track through this whole discussion from your original position.
So doing a victory lap when you were wrong yourself is hilayious and just shows what a transparant bag of spastics that you are.

 

Q, what's this forearm shot that I scored? Seriously, if I scored a forearm shot wrong, then I'll address it. Tell me which specific shot you are referring to here.

 

2 different things, yes, but in the shot in question, the bicep bomb at the end of round 1, it clearly connected to the shoulder moreso than the bicep!! That was the specific shot that you and others came at me on claiming that it wasn't a scoring shot.

You cannot deny that I always grouped shoulders/biceps together because they are connected. You can't expect the ABC scoring zone to specifically include the word "bicep". The shoulders being part of the scoring zone is good enough, if a shot hits the bicep AND the shoulder that's clearly a scoring shot. You wanna separate the bicep and the shoulder because I used terms like "bicep bombs" is patently hilarious. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel with that.

 

I know I hurt your feelings on the Flat Earth tread which really was a massive beating. here you were partially right and wrong asserting arm punches even though you deny it now. It's in the thread unless you've edited your posts since which really wouldn't suprise me with you.
This is just nonsense and I admitted my mistake and you still double down about the arm punches and ignore the details of the rules as pointed out by BCS8. As always you ignore all the points where you have clearly been caught like a complete mental patient.
You still keep repeating bicep / shoulder when the bicep is part of the arm.
You are so deluded and such a lying sack.
You are not sitting pretty because Canelo was still clowned which is what this discussion is about.
Everything you are going on about is only happening in your head.

 

That's the arm which is why you have the bicep / shoulder narrative.
Also BCS8 correctly pointed out that it's the front of the shoulder that is scoring...so it's a moot point.
So I will say again thhe bicep and the shoulder are two different things.
Keep trying to spin it you weasel.

 

Yesterday was a massive beating of you bud lol. We all know you got beat up in the flat earth topic too, it's just you can't accept what happened there either so you continue pretending like you did well there to salvage your ego.

"Partially right and wrong" lmao, asserting arm punches was I? Did I not specifically address elbows and how they could be used for blocking? Did I not back what ellerbe said about it depends on whether a shot was intentionally blocked with part of the arm or not??

What do I have to do to get some respect around here? At least ellerbe gave me some respect about what happened, you and Q on the other hand can't bring yourself to do that.