Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This end of the thread.
    You can search the whole google and you won't find an article or a person with his goddamn mind that will claim shoulders are landing punches.
    Shoulders are part of the arm, simple as that. He should go back to school.
    I don't know why people are giving him platform to spread his nonsenses and to fabricate stuffs, no one care or believe.

    Just ignore him and let him argue with himself and all of his alts and fanatics.

    BTW anyone can write to Teddy Atlas and ask him if Shoulder punch count, and he will laugh at them, and explain it very well. :D He loves to troll Clenbuterolos fangirls.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    But instead of scoring the full fight, you've spent 70 pages debating a round.
     
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  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Euro thread in the lounge

    Entertaining indeed, backtracked massively
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So I never was trying to count an arm punch as scoring, glad we got that straight. I made it very clear that I was not referring to arm punches generally but rather punches that hit the shoulder/bicep like the one at the end of Round 1. As it pertains to non-shoulder arm punches, I was asking you to provide documentation that prohibited the scoring of arm or shoulder shots, while at the same time pointing out the differences between them. I made it very clear in other posts that elbows for example can in fact be used to block the body, while shoulders cannot.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    [url]https://www.abcboxing.com/ring-officials-certification-program/[/url]

    III. SCORING ZONE

    Every judge should be aware of the scoring zone. The method for establishing the scoring zone starts at the top center of the head, with an imaginary line continuing down the sides of the head through the ears, down to and including the shoulders to the naval and hipbones.
    :deal:
    Great idea, ask Teddy if shoulder punches count, see what he says.
     
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  6. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Your actual thoughts were England got the gift as it was rigged for them win the tournament to win British fans over with VAR

    They then lose and all of a sudden a referee decided to go against FIFA lol

    You were such a clown that month
     
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  7. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm gonna summarise shadows claim to Canelo winning round 1 (clean punches) because the guy is unable to be precise:
    -one uppercut
    -one right hand to the body as Bivol is retreating
    -one desperate poking jab at the end of combination whilst Canelo is being outmanouvered
    -2 shoulder shots (shots that no one considers scoring shots apart from the judges who must consider not necessarily score (even then from what @BCS8 shared, its up for debate where on the shoulder the punch must land). Practically no one considers shoulder shots on equal footing as head and body shots (it does not say anywhere judges have to consider it). I'd seriously doubt judges consider them on equal footing. Shadow is trying his hard to imagine this is the case.

    That's his claim. What he has added onto this is countless grazing if at all touching shots and a few inside glove slaps (from which his own source is illegal - he doesn't celebrate how right he is here). All the while he discredits Bivols light jabs that more visibly knock Canelo's head back. He's also lied when I claimed a punch with detailed video evidence... Because he can never be wrong.

    So yeah that's the basis of Canelo winning round 1. Despite being outlanded more than 2 to 1 in conventional punches to head and body.
     
    Quina74, May 21, 2022
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  8. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And he was calling me the conspiracy theorist for talking about Kovalev sparring Canelo!
     
    Quina74, May 21, 2022
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  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Honestly, it was hilarious
     
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  10. BCS8

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    Canelo picked the Kovalev cherry so expertly that it looked like a sparring session. Prime Kovalev with no rehydration clause, a proper camp and a proper rest after one of his most gruelling fights would have turned the ginger puto inside out.
     
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  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shadow has inadvertently proven that shoulder roller Mayweather lost every single one of his fights. May be he was right all along that Canelo beat Mayweather

    If only Mayweather had known that the shoulders must be considered.
     
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