Canelo/Cotto has to reach 1 mill buys to make profit

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by abuffy, Nov 15, 2015.


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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    OK. I get what you are saying there. But how do you arrive at a number from that alone?
     
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  2. Just Rik

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    Well, if you believe that Cotto and Canelo individually sold 300k in both of their last ppv's and you believe that one plus one equals three then you have 300k + 300k + 300K for that 900K figure minimum. Everything after that would come from the level of hype we get from casuals.. which to me is not looking good.
     
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  3. Cafe

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    Honestly, gut instinct mainly.
     
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  4. Rumsfeld

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    :thumbsup

    OK, I get that, too. Seems reasonable.

    My thinking goes something along that line that, if Cotto and Canelo can both do 300k on their own, that it's one of those "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts" things, but I still couldn't peg an exact number on this.

    I'm a firm believer that it usually takes two to tango.

    But I have honestly no clue how many buys this thing may or may not do. I get that the Puerto Rican and Mexican populations in the US constitute a large majority of PPV views as a general rule.

    In terms of guessing, however, I haven't a clue. In my mind it could be anywhere from 500k-2m. And I honestly have no idea where it will fall in that range (or if it even will).
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

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    :good
     
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  6. reed_man02

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    F*ck the casuals this fight is for all the latinos and we know the latinos are who make the bulk of the PPV buys in the USA
     
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  7. Cafe

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    No way I think it does near 2 million, there just doesn't seem to be that kind of hype for it. Then again though Golovkin-Lemieux looked hyped around these parts and it didn't exactly turn out to be a blockbuster.
     
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  8. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My "intentions" are clear despite truth in what I say? Haha. You just can't say "wow you're right". You still have find some way to discredit my character, and in this instance by accusing me of having some sort agenda. Incredible.
     
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  9. Just Rik

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    When it comes to that rivalry I can tell you from experience it all depends on what Mexicans believe. If they believe they are gonna be seeing Canelo beat a PR, (think DLH - Tito) they are gonna be buying in droves. If not, then we'll see modest buys. (think Margo Cotto)
     
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  10. Ricdog

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    People need to relax, the fight will easily do around 1.2mil. These type of fights always generate at least a mill due to the inherent boxing loving culture of Mexico and Puerto Rico.

    People saying they don't hear casual talking about this fight is because they are obviously not looking at actual minorities in this country. We ain't talking casuals like those that buy Rousey/Mayweather fights. We talking about Mexican/Puerto Rican families that have social gatherings in those days....or that go to ethnic restaurants which will show the fight (and I don't mean no BWW bull****).

    Anyway the only worrying thing is indeed the fact that the fight needs to make 1mil to break even. This is ridiculous and shows how stupid GB failed. There is absolutely no reason Cotto should be getting anywhere near 30mil. His purse should be around 15mil max, and Canelo 10mil. Giving Cotto 30mil is the stupidest thing they could have done.
     
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  11. Capt

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    Honestly I see the fight only doing about 700k. There will be major blow back from the May/Pac PPV.
     
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  12. drenlou

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    if it comes under a Mill are you going to say it was a failure?
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

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    I've never tried to "discredit your character". In fact, I think you're a good poster.

    Nonetheless, I don't think my observation is quite the stretch you make it out to be. You did, after all, frequently posit the notion that GGG-Lemieux only needed 100k (or something like that) to be deemed profitable. GGG's fight was reported to have exceeded that break even point. Now you're positing that Cotto-Canelo needs to do a million.

    GGG did approximately 150k, and was a financial success.

    But if Cotto-Canelo does anything less than a million...

    :smoke
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

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    Excellent point, and I was thinking along similar lines when I've previously read posters claiming "casuals aren't talking about this at all". These people, as you noted, are likely not talking to the "right" casuals, in terms of target audience.

    :smoke
     
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  15. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Always do a million buys? Can you provide examples, please? Neither of the Cotto/Margo fights surpassed 700K...

    The only fighters who've ever surpassed a million buys consistently is Mayweather and Pacquiao and neither of them are Mexican nor Puerto Rican. And if I'm correct (which pretty sure I am) the only times Canelo or Cotto have made above a million buys was when they were paired with them....
     
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