Canelo does not know If Benavidez will be in the 3 fight deal?

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  1. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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  2. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    So Benavidez needs to prove himself more but Ryder, and an inactive 154 pounder (and soon to me Jermall) don't need to prove themselves? You really think that is why Canelo is not fighting Benavidez? Because he sat down and thought 'dang, Benavidez just ain't good enough yet' LOL. You can't be that naive. Being undisputed at 154 means zero at 168 you casual. Plus he has 2 loses already.
     
  3. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is what boxing is and will always be LMAO. Fighter A is a prominent fighter that has been through several weight classes, fought PRIME versions of guys everyone said he would avoid, takes his L's without excuses and has the best resume in boxing.

    Fighter B is, to date, a hypejob who MIGHT someday be great but yet to beat anyone of note and is the current boogeyman who hasn't accomplished 10% of what fighter A has and is actively lying saying that no one wants to fight him despite evidence to the contrary.

    I'm neutral on Canelo and while I consider him elite, I don't think he is the most talented but fun to watch. He has gotten favorable scorecards I didn't agree with and he lost to Golovkin in the first fight, (the second one could have been a draw though) and no he did not lose to Lara (who was super effective when he engaged but he was on his bike too long). But to act like he is ducking a guy that has done nothing in the sport is just beyond idiotic. Does ANYONE think Benevidez doesn't get his isht pushed in by Bivol as well? Bivol BEAT Canelo so why can't Benevidez fight Bivol or Beterbiev or maybe David Morrell?

    Boxing never changes. You could go back 20 years and the story is the same but the names are different.
     
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  4. sdot_thadon

    sdot_thadon Active Member Full Member

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    Sounds to me like you've got it in for Canelo lol. I never really had a problem with his fight selection because he's really fought everyone I expected him to at some point and some I never even expected him to go for. Ryder is a guy which fought usually every 6 months or so aside from during the pandemic, so him being inactive is untrue. He had just won the WBO interm title before the Canelo fight. I didn't care for it but I had no problem with it either, the greats didn't fight the most dangerous opponents every fight they all took soft touches in between. I don't really know what Canelo thinks of David but he remains a high risk low reward fight and most cash cows can do better than those types of fights, so they do. Lastly being undisputed means alot period. Lots of all time great matchups happend because a champ moved up to face a challenge. And they all meant something, quit hating because the fight you want hasn't materialized yet. It will happen soon as Benavides makes it worthwhile. Guarantee it. Kinda sounds like the scenario of guys crying for more GGG fights while Canelo took on many challenges and G just sat and waited for another rematch with a whole division to unify in front of him. Beating credible opponents builds credibility which gets fights much quicker than sideline pouting does.
     
  5. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Cool now list all the PRIME versions of guys he fought that he was accused of ducking. Don't make me laugh by saying Lara, someone he fought 2nd fight after Floyd.

    The youngest ever WC in the division and 2 time wc, smashed everyone he has fought is a hype job? Benavidez, and the head of show time are lying when they said Canelo was sent a monster offer to fight Benavidez in June?

    I'm not sure what your definition of 'ducking' is but I'm pretty sure its basically 'Avoiding fighting the best guy at the front of the line for an easier opponent' which is by definition what Canelo is doing by fighting Mell, and tried to fight Mall before that, and we can throw in old GGG at 168 also. Please explain how that is not by definition ducking.

    I guess you are aware but Benavidez has sparred Bivol alot and kicked his ass according to multiple sources. You seem like a hater. Benavidez is mandatory for undisputed at 168 and for the biggest fight in the sport, why would he prefer to fight some unknown eastern euro fighters at 175 for peanuts instead? That would be so dumb I hope you are not a manager ever.
     
  6. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Benavidez V Canelo is the biggest ppv Canelo can make so he is actually a high reward, its the fight the fans demand, and finally decides who is the best in the division. Fans like you is why boxing sucks these days you make bs excuses to defend ducking.

    When was the last time Canelo fought someone the fans actually wanted to see? It was the GGG rematch. Nobody has been demanding a single fight since that he delivered. 3 months ago literally nobody was calling for him to fight Mell, while everyone was demanding Benavidez, and look what we get. Canelo has had 3 soft touches in a row now, and those UK bums he beat for 168 belts were soft also but he had an excuse to fight them for belts. The last fight when he was not a huge favorite was 6 years ago vs GGG, so stop acting like he has only had a few soft touches lately. They all are.
     
  7. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "you seem like a hater" LOL
     
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  8. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    So I guess you can't answer my question then as I thought and just spew rubbish as expected. Sit and reconsider how stupid is it to say Benavidez has done nothing while bums like Ryder and Chavez Jnr get the fights, and 154 pounders and soon to be a drunk 160 pounder who has not fought in almost 3 years.
     
  9. sdot_thadon

    sdot_thadon Active Member Full Member

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    You're so hot and bothered about Canelo you can't even get the argument straight. Benavides is a good fight, the biggest fight is a Bivol rematch though, easily. And Bemvides isn't high reward, what does Canelo have to gain? He's not box office himself so the fight won't be breaking any records at all. Canelo already has all the belts there where's the reward? If and when he beats David haters will just say he beat an undisciplined, weight drained hype job and then move on to the next guy he's supposedly ducking if anything the longer the fight takes the more chance Benavides actually has of winning it lol. And I actually want to see this fight! You said he's had 3 soft touches in a row. Canelos last 3 fights: Ryder, GGG, Bivol. Can't let hate blind common sense. The fact that he's been favored in every fight for 6 years speaks to his level of quality, he'll be the favorite when he fights Benavides too, so what's your point?
     
  10. YCGS

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    OK there is a lot of stupidity to unpack here:

    It is a fact that people were saying Lara was too slick, saying he wouldn't fight Trout, Golovkin, Jacobs, Saunders and if you dispute that was said of any of those fighters YDKSAB. Google it. I am not suggesting any of them are world beaters, but it was always the style that he was afraid of and blah blah blah. That is 5 guys.

    No one knows Benevidez, he hasn't beaten anyone. Oh sorry, he went the distance with a guy Canelo stopped. He lost his titles TWICE due to stupidity so he hasn't done himself favors. I am not doubting he is skilled, but my point (since you can't seem to grasp it) is that Canelo's resume dumps all over Benividez right now, and Benevidez is also a hypocrite for saying Morell hasn't fought anyone to deserve a shot at him!!!! LOL You can't make that up.

    And now you are bringing up SPARRING? GTFOH and you can't even back it up with footage. The only 1 common opponent the 2 have Canelo fought him first, STOPPED him and Benevidez couldn't!! GTFOH. Canelo is not ducking. Boo boo will be a decent test for David, even if he is a corny, part time fighter at the end of his prime.
     
  11. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Nobody wanted the first fight it bombed with 500k and every person I have heard says they have even less interest in a rematch of a one sided boring first fight. On the other hand everyone has been demanding the Benavidez fight as its an exciting match up between two mexicans and 2 best in the division, and would easily do over 1m ppv, yet you think the Bivol rematch is bigger which shows how out of touch you are.

    I literally explained the reward in the post you are quoting. When everyone is demanding a fight, and its an exciting match up between Mexicans, it will do a huge ppv. Nobody is a big draw without a dance partner, but the combination will do over 1m easily if Plant who was a nobody 2 years ago did 800k with Canelo. Benavidez has strong momentum now its the biggest money fight Canelo can make, plus taking out a young lion who is highly rated and the man everyone is accusing him of ducking will add to his legacy. What more do you want to gain from a fight exactly?

    What do you think he gains from beating a 154 pounder who has not had a fight in 16 months?


    He won't win any belts fighting the charlo brothers so we can dismiss your belt excuse right there. Plus nobody wanted to see those fights so they will have far less ppv than Benavidez plus he won't get any credit beating up two inactive lower weight guys, so there is less to gain and win from fighting them. If you don't think 40 year old GGG at 168, Ryder and a 154 pounder are soft touches then you now nothing about boxing.
     
  12. tarrant45

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    But nobody accused him of ducking any of those guys other than GGG. He literally fought them quite quickly, so this is a false narrative Canelo created to deflect from the fact has has been blatantly ducking Benavidez for years. He also ducked GGG for 18 months until he looked vulnerable against Jacobs.

    He beat up Plant worse than Canelo did despite not stopping him plus Dirrell was a good win. The charlos have beaten no better guys so once again this is a weak excuse. I never compared their resumes I don't care its not relevant lol.

    You failed to answer my question. What is your definition of ducking and do you disagree with mine? Because to me its text book ducking unless you have some weird definition of what a duck is. Try to not duck my question this time.
     
  13. J_metal

    J_metal Active Member banned Full Member

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    Benavidez not ready for that canelo heat especially with those flat prodding feet of his
     
  14. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Canelo beats him now imo.
     
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So OP is mad at Canelo for not knowing who he will be fighting on a three-fight contract that doesn’t specify opponents?

    Does Benavides know who his next three opponents are? Does any fighter?

    This is silly.
     
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